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16-03-2006, 9:57 AM
Is anyone able to do a 1871 census look up for me please?
I have William Charge as a convict at H M Convict Prison, Portsea Town, Postsea, Hampshire in the 1881 census and I suspect that he was also there in 1871.
Your help would be appreciated.
16-03-2006, 10:50 AM
I have found a William on the 1871 census, but as you left out some important details, I am unsure as to whether it is him or not. His birth yr and place would have been very helpful.
Anyway, here is what I found:
William Chargo, 30 (abt 1841), Convict, born Evington, Buckinghamshire.
Civil Parish is Portsea, Ecclesiastical parish is Trinity, Town is Portsea, County of Hampshire. Sub-registration district as Portsea Town and Registration district is Portsea Island. Institution is Her Majestys Convict Prison, Portsea.
Source RG10/1133, Folio 115, Page 41, Schedule 1
He is listed as number 21, married and his occupation is Chair (something - i cant read the writing)
Hope this helps
16-03-2006, 12:18 PM
Thank you, sorry for missing information but what you have given me confirms what I already know and confirms that he was in prison for at least 10 years (1871 - 1881).
16-03-2006, 12:23 PM
no problem. must have been something pretty bad for 10 years of jail back then !!!!
good luck with your searches.
17-03-2006, 10:58 AM
I have no idea what he did but I thought that if you did something very bad you were packed off to Australia, I did not realise that they had long term prisoners. When next at the National Archives I must try and find what he did.
17-03-2006, 11:28 AM
here is the HM Prison Kingston website,
it has a wee picture of the outside of the prison, it looks like a castle
nice one for your family history doc. ;) mm
18-03-2006, 10:45 PM
The Portsea Prison is no longer in existence, I don't know when it stopped being used but the HMP Kingston is in another area of Portsmouth several miles away from where the Portsea Prison was.
19-03-2006, 7:06 PM
I had a feeling that it was not the same prison but lacking local knowledge I did not respond.
19-03-2006, 10:03 PM
You're welcome, was he anything to do with the Navy at all? My husband thinks it might have been a Naval Prison given it's location (it would have been very close to the Harbour).
20-03-2006, 9:59 AM
He is a bit of a mystery, his occupation in the census is "chair turner", he marries in Buckinghamshire in 1863 and then disappears until 1871 when the census shows him in prison on Portsea. I will have to try and find the trial or prison records at the National Archives.
Would anyone happen to know if there is any information about this prison online?
20-03-2006, 10:39 AM
Sorry about the wrong prison (just trying to help)
It seems that the archives at kew hold lots of information about prisoners
here is a web page with information that somebody else found out about their "convict", it will be well worth a visit to kew if so much info is to be found.
22-03-2006, 9:01 AM
Thank you, I'll have to get myself down to the archives.
20-09-2007, 5:46 PM
Could not believe my luck when I Googled 'HM Convict Prison Portsea', found this site and saw your enquiry - its exactly the same as mine! Have you found out any more about William's crime? I am researching a cousin's line and found that her great great aunt Elizabeth (nee Lacey) had married William Charge, and like you wondered what he'd done.
21-09-2007, 6:18 AM
link to doc from Portsmouth City Council which has a few refs to the Convict Prison b 1852 to replace hulks in harbour to hold transportees and long-term convicts
It seems to have been near Anchor Gate Road which can be found on streetmap.co.uk - that road looks like it is inside the dockyard (dotted lines).
22-09-2007, 10:00 AM
Thanks for the link Karen, I've had a quick look and will look again later. Just hoping now that John replies with some more info on William's crime!
23-09-2007, 1:00 PM
My great great grandfathers brother was chief (one of serveral?) prison officer at Portsea from around 1860 to 1890.
No doubt he didnt treat the prisoners particularly well
26-09-2007, 4:15 PM
I also had a distant relative in Portsea Prison in the 1871 census.
I would like to know his crime and sentence.
I know he was out by 1874 because he got married.
01-10-2007, 2:44 PM
Thank you for your help everyone.
Mazhob, you may be interested to know that for a modest fee the National Archives can find the paperwork which will give details of the crime and the sentence.
02-10-2007, 6:09 AM
Its amazing that just the name of the prison on google brought up your enquiry and the name William Charge. As I said earlier, he is a gg uncle in law to my cousin. How is he related to you?
03-10-2007, 5:12 PM
25-10-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm helping my dad do some research about our family or more to the point the person above William Hudson.
He is listed as being in Portsea prison in 1881 and then seems to vanish! We also know he married Mercy Court in 1887 and also had a child with her Herbert Hudson.Although we know he didn't die until 1940's.
He is listed as a Post office Clerk. Now his dad was Alfred Hudson of Cranbrook in Kent. Alfred Hudson appears he was quite a businessman in Cranbrook in the 1850's until 1880's. He ran the post office, was a farmer/draper & Parish Clerk.
We have letters from some of Williams brother about some boots that Alfred made that Cranbrook Museum now have! But they never mention William! All of the other brothers are mentioned in the correspondence! Is there anyway to find out why he was in prison?
Hopefully people still read this posts!
08-05-2011, 4:44 PM
So many years have passed since first you posted that you probably have already found what I have found, too. William Charge was convicted of "feloniously wounding with intent to kill" and was sentenced, at his trial in Buckinghamshire on 19th July 1869, to twenty years imprisonment. In 1871 he was in Her Majesty's Convict Prison in Portsea and was in Haibonvit Prison in Portsea in 1881. He gave his occupation on prison records as "Chair Turner " and his birthplace as Elvington, Bucks. In 1891 he was back home in Chesham, Bucks with his wife Elizabeth. At that time he was working as a labourer. He wife, Elizabeth Lacey is part of a tree I am researching for a friend. I am struggling to find the death of Elizabeth's father, Thomas Lacey b Great Missedenden in 1815. Some researchers have his death date as 1893, but there is no trace of him in 1871 , 1881 0r 1891 so I suspect that the death date in in the late 1860's. Hope your researches are progressing well!
16-12-2012, 7:26 PM
I wonder since we're on the subject of RG10/1133 Folio 115 Page 41 or thereabouts, Portsea prison at Portsea Island Hampshire, if anyone could look up George Cocksedge born Westminster for me, in about 1844. This is the 1871 citation given earlier in this thread.
I have found him in the Old Bailey as five years imprisioned but would be interested to know his occupation to see if he is indeed a relative. I tried to read the original page at Old Bailey but some reason it just won't come up.Thank you.
16-12-2012, 7:53 PM
I have found him in the Old Bailey as five years imprisioned but would be interested to know his occupation to see if he is indeed a relative. I tried to read the original page at Old Bailey but some reason it just won't come up.Thank you.I am afraid that it does not provide this. Even all the original page says is:
Wednesday October 30th 1867 before Mr Common Serjeant:
GEORGE COCKSEDGE (23) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing two post-letters, the property of her Majesty's Postmaster-General—
Five Years' Penal Servitude.
16-12-2012, 10:28 PM
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Geo Cocksedge 28 Oct 1867, Middlesex (Below is what I think it says) :smile5:
"Stg po Lre being employed in po off"
16-12-2012, 10:34 PM
The man in Prison in 1871 was a Letter Carrier.
If your man married Harriet he was a Butcher at marriage in 1864 and a House Decorator in the 1881.
17-12-2012, 3:34 PM
Thank you for this information. As he is missing in London in 1871, it seems the question is open as to whether it is the same man. Quite a change in location and occupation. J
17-12-2012, 3:49 PM
Unless you can find another George Cocksedge of the same sort of age who was also born in Westminster, it would seem very likely the convict is the same as the house decorator in 1881. I see that there's a big gap between the only two children on the 1881 census, one born about 1866 and the next in about 1873. The timing of the gap would fit well with the 1867 conviction.
Re. the change in occupation, I doubt if the Post Office would have wanted him back when he came out of prison, so he would have had to find a new line of work.
17-12-2012, 3:57 PM
Re. the change in occupation, I doubt if the Post Office would have wanted him back when he came out of prison, so he would have had to find a new line of work.Just to follow on from this, details of George's employment with the Post Office may also make interesting reading.
17-12-2012, 9:26 PM
There are three entries on Ancestry for a Geo Cocksedge in - British Postal Service Appointment Books, 1737-1969
April 1867 London, Nov 1917 Geo F. and 1931 George Frederick.
The occupations within the service are hard to read. Perhaps it is worth buying some credits to see more.
18-12-2012, 4:37 AM
Thank you, I hadn't thought of the Postal Service Appointments. It looks as though he joined in April and was convicted in October. From what I can deduce, he went on to call himself after his mother's name, Gillett. Harriet and George Gillett and fourth and last child Joseph C Gillett seem to be on the 1891 census in London, though I don't have access to it at the moment to see the details. Their first daughter Harriet is together with them in 1901, and is a widow of a Cormack. Joseph Charles married under Gillett name in West Ham before 1901. in 1911 George and Harriet and gdaughter Amy Florence Cormack (her mother was widowed) are together in Linton, Cambridgeshire working in The Bell Inn, High Street so George Cocksedge/Gillett has become a licensed victualler. It appears son Joseph Charles Gillett went on to Barton Lancashire, and there is a Harriet Gillett age 92 who died there in 1937, so the name was a permanent change. George and Harriet had just lost their second child when he was convicted, the third child was conceived just before he was convicted, and died while he was still away. Amazing family story and one to be proud in the end. It must have taken determination.
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