Looking for William Covell Norfolk

[OzyBob]

Hi There,
I am new at this but I am looking for a William Covell born 2 dec 1810 in Felmingham Norfolk father Robert Covell , Mother Any Neale any information at all on this man would be great full with my searching, and location off this man lost around the 1827, Its like he dissapeared from the earth, If any one can help or if any one knows off a Family that has done this man as well all information big or small is great full.

Cherrs
OzyBob

[Geoffers]

Was it this chap who emigrated to Australia and if so when and for what reason?

Not too sure exactly what you are trying to do from your message. Are you just trying to find what happened to this chap in his lifetime?

Men disappearing from an area often means one of three possibilities:

Migration, usually in search of work and many went to eitehr London, or to the industrial north.

Gaol

Serving in the armed forces - try searching The National Archives catalogue
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
enter a name in the first field (remember there are lots of variant spellings of COVELL so use the wildcards available) and in the department or series code, enter ADM to search for Royal Navy records and WO to search for Army records.

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[Geoffers]

part 2...

Census returns may help.

Also try searching the excellent NROCAT (Norfolk Record Office online catalogue)
http://nrocat.norfolk.gov.uk/dservea/Index.htm
In the first field enter 'Felmingham' in the Catalogue Ref field enter 'PD 399' (note the space between PD and 399)

select [1] then the link 'click to see this record in its hierarchical context'

This will display all the records held by NRO in relation to Felmingham parish and give hints at types of documents you may want to check - e.g. settlements, removals, examinations, records of overseers of the poor, Vestry accounts, etc. There are a few documents there that would seem worth pursuing. If they have been microfilmed, you may be able to hire them at a mormon church (LDS) record centre

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[Geoffers]

part 3....

The 1851 census shows what may be his father:
HO107/1808 f579 p6
North Walsham Road, Felmingham
Robert COVALL, hd, mar, 79, Parish Relief, bn Felmingham
Amy COVALL, wf, mar, 68, bn Felmingham

but I couldn't find William - similarly with the 1841 census, several COVELLs in Felmingham but no trace of William there.

Have a look at the sticky threads of useful web-sites on the Norfolk forum. Something there may give you a clue - especially the web-site link with surnames of interest in this thread http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758

Geoffers

[OzyBob]

part 3....

The 1851 census shows what may be his father:
HO107/1808 f579 p6
North Walsham Road, Felmingham
Robert COVALL, hd, mar, 79, Parish Relief, bn Felmingham
Amy COVALL, wf, mar, 68, bn Felmingham

but I couldn't find William - similarly with the 1841 census, several COVELLs in Felmingham but no trace of William there.

Have a look at the sticky threads of useful web-sites on the Norfolk forum. Something there may give you a clue - especially the web-site link with surnames of interest in this thread http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758

Geoffers
Yes thats William Father and Mother Geoffers but the William Covell born 2 Dec1810 Felmingham Norfolk he was Christen on the 9 Dec 1811 Felmingham Norfolk England I am trying to find any information before 1827 Cause I think he change his name to Coble and get transproted to Australia because William Coble born 2 Dec 1810 Norfolk there is not information Be fore 1826 but after 1827 this Name came up so I am guessing that it is the same man. William Covell born 2 Dec 1810 Norfolk Felmingham. I have all information On this William Coble from 1827 too 1868 when he dieded here in Australia but not back in Norfolk no one can find him only find a William Covell born the same day mouth and year as the William in Australia.
OzyBob

[Geoffers]

The name change is quite possible, but you need to tread warily as you don't definitely know that the man you have in Australia as William COBLE is the same as William COVELL born in Felmingham. Do you ae anything which ties your chap in with Norfolk?

Do you have a marriage certificate for this chap and does this include the name of his father?

Trying to locate records relating to his trial and conviction (tricky from such a distance) may yield some more clues to assist you.

Geoffers

[OzyBob]

The name change is quite possible, but you need to tread warily as you don't definitely know that the man you have in Australia as William COBLE is the same as William COVELL born in Felmingham. Do you ae anything which ties your chap in with Norfolk?

Do you have a marriage certificate for this chap and does this include the name of his father?

Trying to locate records relating to his trial and conviction (tricky from such a distance) may yield some more clues to assist you.

Geoffers


Hi Geoffers,
This is all I have ok, On marriage and Death Certification there is NO parants at all read this this will tell you what I know.

History of William Coble

William Coble was born 2 Dec 1810 in Norfolk England, William died on the 8th April 1868 in Yass N.S.W. Australia R.B.D.M. 7177.

William Coble of England, In a altercation with the “Bobby” where William was tried in 1827, for housebreaking and got one year imprisonment at Swaffham House of Correction.

In the year of 1833 William Coble got into altercation with the “Bobby”, being for on the oath of a George Scott of North Walsham Norfolk England, A labourer.

William Coble did appear at the Norfolk Assizes Court for Highway Robbery, in voting a sum of money six pence and half penny in copper money on the 19th March 1833. Where William was sentence to death, but William’s conviction was over turn in a former conviction and sentence of one year resulted in a new sentence of to be sent to transportation to an Australia for life.

William Coble left from Portsmouth on the 4th July 1833. To a ship called “AURORA” transported under the (Master of Dalrymple Dowson, R. N. Surgeon Stewart Esq Alexander), with 29 ranking prison guards of the 21st Fusiliers under (Major Delisle, L.T. Greetham of the 4th Regiment 1 soldier, 2 boys of the 4th Regiment, there was Mrs. Delisle, Miss. Delisle, 5 women, 4 children & 300 male prisoners.)

William Coble’s convict number was (33/2783).

When William Coble arrived on the 3rd November 1833. The Description of William was:
1. Read & write.
2. Protestant.
3. Single.
4. Shoemaker 4 years (indiffence to William profession).
5. 5’6 ¾” Tall.
6. Sallow complexion.
7. Brown Hair.
8. Hazel eyes.
9. Scar over left eyebrow and scar back of left hand.
10. Mark of a burn on right instep.
Cheers
OzyBob
Australia

[Geoffers]

I appreciate your deifficulty in accessing these records from Australia. I'm afraid I can't help you on how to best access them. Others in Australia may suggest the cheapest/quicket means of finding them, from their experience

I think your best bet for finding out any detail about this chap is through a newspaper report of the case. These are usually more extensive than any surviving court papers.

As an alternative, you might just possibly find something useful in the following, held by the NRO and relating to Norwich Gaol where he would presumably have been held awaiting trial and subsequent transportation:

NCR Case 12dPapers relating to prisoners and prisons including: Sessional returns of prisoners, 1681-1682, 1702-1833; Gaoler’s certificates of number of prisoners, 1808-1834; four calendars of prisoners, 1830; Bridewell, 1752; and building of a New Gaol, 1823.

Geoffers

[OzyBob]

I appreciate your deifficulty in accessing these records from Australia. I'm afraid I can't help you on how to best access them. Others in Australia may suggest the cheapest/quicket means of finding them, from their experience

I think your best bet for finding out any detail about this chap is through a newspaper report of the case. These are usually more extensive than any surviving court papers.

As an alternative, you might just possibly find something useful in the following, held by the NRO and relating to Norwich Gaol where he would presumably have been held awaiting trial and subsequent transportation:

NCR Case 12dPapers relating to prisoners and prisons including: Sessional returns of prisoners, 1681-1682, 1702-1833; Gaoler’s certificates of number of prisoners, 1808-1834; four calendars of prisoners, 1830; Bridewell, 1752; and building of a New Gaol, 1823.

Geoffers
Geoffers,
Thxs for you help on this man and your time you had help or explaining things to me but there is a problem I dont not under stnad you sites in England, I know there are news papers that have William Coble Case in them but dont know what ones they are there are people who said they find him in news papers but thats it no information to what news paper or any details of the case so againe thxs for your help and time Geoffers.if you go here you can read some of the information on the news paper thing ok Geoffers

Cherrs
OzyBob
Australia.

[Geoffers]

I know there are news papers that have William Coble Case in them but dont know what ones they are there are people who said they find him in news papers but thats it no information to what news paper
From what you have written, I think this is what you are after........

The British Library (BL) Newspaper collection has its own web-site
http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html
This has a search engine, you can search for newspapers which were published during the period in which you are interested. Move your cursor over 'catalogues' and from the drop-down list, select 'Newspapers' - try searching just on 'Norwich'.

The library has a reprographic service, it can provide you with copies. The librry has a research service as well (look under 'Services' on the BL web-site).

Geoffers