1841 / 1851 Jersey census lookup please?

[r-careys]

Could I please request a look up for The Splatt family in Jersey.

Robert Splatt and wife Charlott (ne Russell) and family.
Daughter Hannah Elizabeth Splatt b 1841 StHelier Jersey.

Any information greatly appreciated.

Russell

[Trish]

Could I please request a look up for The Splatt family in Jersey.

Robert Splatt and wife Charlott (ne Russell) and family.
Daughter Hannah Elizabeth Splatt b 1841 StHelier Jersey.

Any information greatly appreciated.

RussellRussell,

I can only see a Joseph and Grace SPLATT, 58 and 63 respectively, with granddaughter Elizabeth AGEARS. Joseph is a "Shoe-Maker and General Dealer."

Do you have Robert and Charlott in the 1861 census or any other census in St. Heliers?

Regards,
Trish

[r-careys]

Hi Trish,
I have not tried any other census yet.
I have no details on the Splat family other than what I have stated above and I am desperate for information..oh and of course that Hannah was in Australia by 1867 where she married Samuel Collins from Devonshire.
I will Keep the information you sent in case it fits in latercould be Hannah's grandparents.
Where do I go from here?

[r-careys]

Sorry Trish, I forgot to ask, was that 1841 or 1851 you looked in?

[DebbieAnn]

In 1861, 19-yr-old Hannah E. Splatt is a servant in the home of George and Mary Perrot in St. Heliers, Jersey, where she was also born. She is unmarried.

RG9/4394
Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Folio: 9
Page: 12

Debbie

[Trish]

In 1861, 19-yr-old Hannah E. Splatt is a servant in the home of George and Mary Perrot in St. Heliers, Jersey, where she was also born. She is unmarried.

RG9/4394
Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Folio: 9
Page: 12

DebbieI saw that one, too, Debbie -- but no parents, right?

Russell, sorry, I should have specified the 1851 census. I don't have access to 1841 records. FYI, the Elizabeth AGEARS with Joseph and Grace SPLATT is 8 years old. They live at 9, Philip Street in St. Heliers. All 3 were born in England.

So, to recap: Hannah was born in St. Heliers and is living there 19 years later. But where is she and where are her parents inbetween? I checked for all Charlott/es and all Hannahs living in St. Heliers and/or born there on the 1851 census but came up short.

Either they are living elsewhere [although I did check in England, too] or their name has been misenumerated or mistranscribed but I didn't see any likely variations.

Debbie, any ideas?

Trish

[Stewart Hill]

There does not appear to be anyone with the name Splatt in the 1841 census.

Stewart

[Stewart Hill]

Russell

I made a mistake. There is a Robert and Charlotte Splatt living in St Helier in the 1841 census. Look at http://members.shaw.ca/Jerseymaid/helier10.html No mention of Hannah.

Stewart

[r-careys]

Well Debbie, she must have moved quickly in 1861. I have it that she arrived in Australia in 1861 aged 19 onboard the Oithona.
When were the Census taken?
How would a servent get money for passage to Australia?
Did ships leave from Jersey to Australia?
Everything you turn up an answer for raises new questions. :)

[r-careys]

Russell

I made a mistake. There is a Robert and Charlotte Splatt living in St Helier in the 1841 census. Look at http://members.shaw.ca/Jerseymaid/helier10.html No mention of Hannah.

Stewart

Thank you Stewart I will look there now. :)

You know I've been there before I used the find on this page option and typed in Splatt found nothing and then moved on. Well gues what that function does not work on this page...I'll have to slow down and not get so excited when I find new stuff.:(
I will go through it slowly now. Might even turn up some of my wifes Reads.:)

[r-careys]

Just found out that Robert and Charlott were married in 1840 in stoke dramerel. Its starting to fall in to place now.

[Stewart Hill]

If you do an advanced Google search but only search on the http://members.shaw.ca/Jerseymaid site (it's the line that starts Domain) for the name Splatt, it will list all of the Splatt's (in this case 1) on that site. Saves you having to trawl through every page.

Stewart

[r-careys]

Thanks Stewart, I'l give it a go

Well Found another one doing it that way found Mary Splatt aged 15 could be related to Hannah Perhaps Robert's sister.
More checking

[r-careys]

Trish and Debbie,
I have found that Joseph and Grace are Robert's parents.
Elizabeth However I have not located yet. She I presume was Robert's sisters daughter. The name Agears is unusual should be able to find something. But its getting too late now time for bed. :)


Regards
Russell


I saw that one, too, Debbie -- but no parents, right?

Russell, sorry, I should have specified the 1851 census. I don't have access to 1841 records. FYI, the Elizabeth AGEARS with Joseph and Grace SPLATT is 8 years old. They live at 9, Philip Street in St. Heliers. All 3 were born in England.

So, to recap: Hannah was born in St. Heliers and is living there 19 years later. But where is she and where are her parents inbetween? I checked for all Charlott/es and all Hannahs living in St. Heliers and/or born there on the 1851 census but came up short.

Either they are living elsewhere [although I did check in England, too] or their name has been misenumerated or mistranscribed but I didn't see any likely variations.

Debbie, any ideas?

Trish

[Trish]

Trish and Debbie,
I have found that Joseph and Grace are Robert's parents.
Elizabeth However I have not located yet. She I presume was Robert's sisters daughter. The name Agears is unusual should be able to find something. But its getting too late now time for bed. :)


Regards
RussellRussell,

Sounds like you're making progress despite the disappearance of Robert and Charlott in the '50s and '60s. You mentioned that you had found their marriage record in 1840 in Devon. Do you know Charlott's maiden name?

Trish

[DebbieAnn]

Might Robert and Charlotte (nee Russell) have gone to Australia first, thereby missing the 1861 census, and then sent for their daughter Hannah to join them? That would explain how she paid for the passage. But none of them are on the 1851 census, so that's still a mystery...

Debbie

[r-careys]

Might Robert and Charlotte (nee Russell) have gone to Australia first, thereby missing the 1861 census, and then sent for their daughter Hannah to join them? That would explain how she paid for the passage. But none of them are on the 1851 census, so that's still a mystery...

Debbie

I can't find their death here so I presume they either stayed in Jersey or went to other channel islands or they went back to Devonshire :)
Russell

[r-careys]

Russell,

Sounds like you're making progress despite the disappearance of Robert and Charlott in the '50s and '60s. You mentioned that you had found their marriage record in 1840 in Devon. Do you know Charlott's maiden name?

Trish


Helo Trish,
Robert Splatt b 11-2-1821 married Charlott Russell b presumed about the same period 1821
Marriage date 1840 Stoke Damerel Devon
Have not found any brothers and sisters for Hannah yet.

:)
Russell
Oh and by the way the Joseph and grace are Joseph Splatt and Grace Risdon married 1820 Chagford Devon

[Stewart Hill]

Ho Russell, me again.

Not a good day as I couldn't find a death for Charlotte between 1841 and 1851. I looked up several queries for people tonight and not one was succesful.

Stewart

[Trish]

Helo Trish,
Robert Splatt b 11-2-1821 married Charlott Russell b presumed about the same period 1821
Marriage date 1840 Stoke Damerel Devon
Have not found any brothers and sisters for Hannah yet.

:)
Russell
Oh and by the way the Joseph and grace are Joseph Splatt and Grace Risdon married 1820 Chagford DevonRussell,

Joseph SPLATT in the 1861 census:

1861 Census: RG9/4396 Folio 72 Page 20
Address: 12 Phillip St., St. Helier, Jersey
-- Joseph SPLATT Head Mar 67 Genl Dealer [born] England
-- Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 50 Nurse [born] Do
-- Elizabeth AYE--* Grand-daughter Un 18 Tailoress [born] Jersey

*I'm not sure about the last letters -- the full surname could be AYERS or AYELO or AYCK. It does not look like the same spelling as in the 1851 census [AGEARS].

Trish

[r-careys]

Hello Stuart,
Thank you for the effort.

Hello Trish Thanks to you too that loks interesting I couldn';t get anywhere with Agears perhaps Ayers might turn something up.

Russell

[DebbieAnn]

There is a marriage of a Caroline Splatt in Newton Abbott, Devon in Mar qtr 1839 (vol 10 pg 221). Another name on the same page is John Algar... perhaps, with a certain accent, it would sound to an enumerator like Agears or Ayer... If Caroline's parents were Joseph and Grace, she may have gone home to her mother to have her first child, resulting in the birth being registered in St. Heliers...

Debbie

[Stewart Hill]

For what it's worth (and probably of no use whatsoever), Ahier is a common name in Jersey!

Stewart

[DebbieAnn]

Russell,

Just re-reading some of your posts, and realized I'd forgotten to answer one of your questions. 'The 1861 Census for the Channel Islands was taken on the night of 7 April 1861.' - according to Ancestry When in 1861 did Hannah arrive in Australia? Were her parents ever in Australia, to your knowledge?

Debbie

[r-careys]

Not sure exactly when she arrived here Debbie but seeing she was born in october and she was still 19 when she arrived it must have been before October.
How long would it take to get from Jersey to Australia.? From April to October is not that long.
Did ships sail from Jersey to Australia?
I will have to find out where the ship sailed from, I am guessing Plymouth but I will check.
I really appreciate your help here I just wish I could make some progress with my London family.
Regards
Russell

[r-careys]

For what it's worth (and probably of no use whatsoever), Ahier is a common name in Jersey!

Stewart
Worth consideration : thanks Stewart

[Stewart Hill]

Russell

When I was at the Archive Centre, I asked whether ships called in at Jersey and then onward to Australia. I was told "extremely unlikely". However, I was told that some Jersey built ships did start their journey in Jersey and on to Australia. I was referred to the book "Jersey Sailing Ships" by John Jean, published by Phillimore (ISBN 0 85033 464 0) which lists all the Jersey owned boats in the 1800's and what their trade was. I could see no reference for Oithona.

Stewart

[r-careys]

Russell

When I was at the Archive Centre, I asked whether ships called in at Jersey and then onward to Australia. I was told "extremely unlikely". However, I was told that some Jersey built ships did start their journey in Jersey and on to Australia. I was referred to the book "Jersey Sailing Ships" by John Jean, published by Phillimore (ISBN 0 85033 464 0) which lists all the Jersey owned boats in the 1800's and what their trade was. I could see no reference for Oithona.

Stewart


Sounds like a great book Stewart, I have tried our library but they do not have it. Might try ebay later.
Do they have records of departure from Jersey for this period ???
I would assume the nearest major port might be Plymouth what do you think??

Russell

[r-careys]

Stewart, just found her arrival in Victoria. It was in December 1861
Russell

[Stewart Hill]

Russell

Did it name a point of departure?

I've looked at the book again and no, it didn't give voyage details (other than Newfoundland).

What made you home in on Plymouth? I wouldn't discount other ports in the UK such as Southampton, Portsmouth and Bristol.

Stewart

[r-careys]

Stewart,
Apparently it sailed from London to Southampton and then to Australia. Would she have sailed from Jersey to Southampton?
Russell

[Stewart Hill]

Russell

As Southampton is the nearest mainland port, I suppose the answer must be yes, but how you prove it I'm not sure. I'll try and find some more info.

Stewart

[r-careys]

Russell

As Southampton is the nearest mainland port, I suppose the answer must be yes, but how you prove it I'm not sure. I'll try and find some more info.

Stewart

Thank you so much Stewart

[Stewart Hill]

Russell

I've checked with the Archive Centre and they do not have any passeneger lists for people leaving Jersey. I'm afraid it's back to square one.

Stewart

[r-careys]

Russell

I've checked with the Archive Centre and they do not have any passeneger lists for people leaving Jersey. I'm afraid it's back to square one.

Stewart

Thankyou Stewart,
Your efforts are greatly appreciated. |bowdown|

[Peter_uk_can]

I know the original post is quite old, I only found may way here because I typed in "Ahier"... my Mum's maiden name and one that always caused problems. The family always pronounced it "I yer" rhyme with tyre(tire) and consequently form that no one who didn't know would have never come up with "Ahier" My Uncle would pronounce it "Air" which resulted in it being written "Eyre" or "Ayre"

Perhaps this will be of benefit to anyone searching the "Ahiers" on here.

Oh.. and in Jersey, it's a bit like trying to trace the name Smith.