Beddows

[beddows]

My family came from the Ironbridge area of Shropshire and moved to Garston in Liverpool.
My Grandfather was John and had sisters Alice, Elizabeth, Ethel and brothers Hubert who moved to Kettering and Henry and Bertram who were killed in WW1. The family moved to Liverpool and my Grandfather married Winfred Kerr, my Grandfather was born in 1900 and died 1969, my Grandmother born 1900 and died 1949. They had children William, Harold, John (my dad), Nora, Doris, Irene and Ethel.
I have tried to find more details about their history in Garston and before that in Shropshire but seem to be hitting a brick wall
Look forward to hearing from people out there who can help me compile my family tree.

[Trish]

My family came from the Ironbridge area of Shropshire and moved to Garston in Liverpool.My Grandfather was John and had sisters Alice, Elizabeth, Ethel and brothers Hubert who moved to Kettering and Henry and Bertram who were killed in WW1. The family moved to Liverpool and my Grandfather married Winfred Kerr, my Grandfather was born in 1900 and died 1969, my Grandmother born 1900 and died 1949. They had children William, Harold, John (my dad), Nora, Doris, Irene and Ethel....Most of the names you mentio n are matched in this family in the 1901 census:

1901 Census: RG13/2526 Folio 64 Page 9
Address: Browns' Row, Madeley, Shropshire

Martha BEDDOW [sic] Head M 39 Charwoman sc [born] Salop -- IronBridge
William JONES son S 15 Laborer in Brickworks [born] do Madeley
Elizabeth L. BEDDOW daur S 13 [born] do do
Alice BEDDOW do S 12 [born] do do
Emma do 10 [born] do do
Henry BEDDOW son 6 [born] Salop -- IronBridge
Bertie do son 5 [born] do do
Ethel do daur 2 [born] do do
Jack do son 1 [born] do do

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

Here's the same family in 1891:

1891 Census: RG12/2099 Folio 153 Page 1
Address: Madeley Road, Madeley, Shropshire

William BEDDOW Head M 30 Clay Miner [born] Salop Broseley
Martha do Wife M 26 [born] do Iron Bridge
John W. do Son 5 Scholar [born] do Madeley
Elizabeth L. do Daur 3 [born] do Iron Bridge
Alice do do 1 [born] do Madeley
Mary E. do do 6 m. [born] do do

It's odd that 5-year-old John W. BEDDOW in 1891 turns into 15-year-old William JONES in 1901.

Trish

[Trish]

I think this may be young William BEDDOW[S] and his family in 1871... by coincidence, his mother -- like his wife -- is named Martha:

1871 Census: RG10/2758 Folio 4 Page 2
Ladywood, Broseley, Shropshire

Martha BEDDOW Head Wid 37 Charwoman [born] Mont [Montgomeryshire] Welshpool [Wales]
Edwin do son Unm 18 Brick Kiln Laborer [born] Salop Broseley
Henry do son Unm 16 Iron Moulders Assistant [born] do do
Richard do son 12 Iron Moulders Assistant [born] do do
Harriet do daur 13 [born] do do
William do son 10 Scholar [born] do do
Frederic do son 8 Scholar [born] do do
Catherine do dau 6 Scholar [born] do do
Stephen J. do son 4 Scholar [born] do do
Louisa do dau 2 [born] do do

Trish

[Trish]

And 1861:

1861 Census: RG9/1859 Folio 115 Page 23
Address: Oposite [sic] Brick Works, Broseley, Shropshire

Henry BEDDOW Head "Mar" 33 Laborer in Brickwork [born] Salop Broseley
Martha Do Wife "Mar" 29 [born] Montgomery Berris
Edwin Do Son 8 [born] Salop Broseley
Henry Do Son 6 [born] Do Broseley
Harriett Do "Dau" 4 [born] Do Broseley
Richard BEDDOW Son 3 [born] Do Broseley
William BEDDOW Son 1 [born] Salop Broseley
Ann PRYCE Mother [other words scratched out] Widow 61 Laborer's Widow [born] Montgomery Chesbury [or Chetbury]
Charlotte ROWLAND Niece to Wife 4 [born] Montgomery Llantoham

If this is truly your family line, there's a bonus in this census in the form of Martha's mother. In all likelihood, Martha's maiden name was PRYCE.

Trish

[Trish]

Last, but not least, young Henry with his family in 1851:

1851 Census: HO107/1980 Folio 503 Page 22
Address: Onions Brick Works, Broseley, Shropshire

Richard BEDDOW Head Mar 66 Coal Miner [born] Salop Broseley
Mary BEDDOW Wife Mar 60 [born] Do Do
Richard BEDDOW Son U 28 Engine Man [born] Do Do
Henry BEDDOW Son U 22 Day Labourer [born] Do Do

Trish

[beddows]

Hi Trish, many thanks for your replies they make interesting read. I did not expect all that info to appear that quickly. It now gives me info to move forward. I now realise that they were in Shropshire until after 1901, they appear on paper in liverpool during the first ww as info on Bertram and Henrys death gives NOK at an address in Garston Livepool, which is where my GP lived.
I know that the family moved on mass from Shropshire to Liverpool possibly for work, I believe that my grandfather got a job on the railways.
As well as the usual BMD I am coming across lots of social history which puts meat on the bones, for example one story is that the family were struggling financially and Hubert and John (jack) were picked up by a charity who taught them to make shoes, it resulted in Hubert moving to Kettering to work for Timpsons (making shoes)

Once again many thanks
John

[beddows]

Thanks for all the information, can you explain DO DO and do you have a theory why 5 year old John W Beddows turns into 15 year old William Jones in 1901, my grandfather John (Jack) was born 1900?

[kazrbutler]

HI John: DO, Do, do are commonly used as " is now to mean ditto, ie same as line above.

Enumerators who copied out census returns commonly used various forms of this to cut down writing.

On a nice clear page, it is not so bad. Where writing is unclear (whether poor writing, watered down or thick blotchy ink), you really start to appreciate it when they write things out in full and you have several copies of the same surname.

It is worth looking at an original of the 1901 census. It might be that William John has simply been transcribed as William Jones. It might even have been done when the enumerator copied the household details. More probable than he was masquerading as William Jones

Karen

[Trish]

It is worth looking at an original of the 1901 census. It might be that William John has simply been transcribed as William Jones. It might even have been done when the enumerator copied the household details. More probable than he was masquerading as William Jones...This is a puzzle... I always check the image myself and provide my own transcription. I don't rely on the given transcriptions because they can be faulty but I do use them as a second reference.

So, thinking that I may have made a mistake in transcribing the image, I took another look... I can confirm that the enumerator definitely wrote "William" and "15". The name after William looks like "Jones" but could conceivably be "James". The "Jon" part looks right but the "es" is a little odd. The "e" isn't typical of the enumerator's handwriting. But, at any rate, the name is written as a surname - i.e., it isn't followed by "Beddow" or "do".

Trish

[beddows]

Many thanks to both of you for replying, the journey continues
Regards John

[beddows]

Thanks for all the census info, was there a particular month that these would be done, only that I am trying to work out birth dates from their ages?
Thanks

[Geoffers]

census info, was there a particular month that these would be done, only that I am trying to work out birth dates from their ages?
Thanks
Ages in census returns can be variable. Don't put too much reliance on them being accurately recorded in all cases.

Census dates:
1841 - Sun 6 Jun
1851 - Sun 30 Mar
1861 - Sun 7 Apr
1871 - Sun 2 Apr
1881 - Sun 3 Apr
1891 - Sun 5 Apr
1901 - Sun 31 Mar

The census related to those resident overnight Sun/Mon.

Geoffers

[beddows]

Many thanks for your reply, some advice please what resources do you and some of the senior members use regularly, and is there particular sites(poss paying) that you would suggest that I invest in?
I have look at a number of threads on this subject but different people seem to have their favourites.

[Geoffers]

Many thanks for your reply, some advice please what resources do you and some of the senior members use regularly, and is there particular sites(poss paying) that you would suggest that I invest in?
Everyone has their own favourites and what I may like may not be favoured by others - and I think that's the way it should be.

Personally I love books, words printed on paper and with the hint of a binding to keep it in one piece.

Amongst my most useful general books are:

The Local Historian's Encyclopedia by John Richardson ISBN 0 9502656 7 X
(I think this is still available but the title has changed)

continued...

[Geoffers]

part 2....

Tracing your ancestors in the Public Record Office ISBN 1 903365 34 1

The Local History Companion by Stephen Friar ISBN 0 7509 2722 4
A Clearer sence of teh Census by Edward Higgs ISBN 0 11 440257 4

The Poor Law in Norfolk 1700-1850 ISBN 0 904463 90 7
(No longer in print and despite its title a useful general source)

But that's not to say that my other 800+ books aren't equally useful

If I had to nominate one web-site, it would be
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm

Geoffers