Place names in Devonshire

[DebbieAnn]

One distant relative is listed as being born in Masocosm, Devonshire. To me it looks like Macacorm. Any ideas as to what it's supposed to be? - I haven't a clue! The only other census I can find for her just says Devon...

Her name is Elizabeth, and she was the second wife of William Tagg. She died in Hackney in 1867 at the age of 82.

Debbie |banghead|

[Sharron]

Could it be Maristow?

[busyglen]

Could it be Manaton or Marldon, Debbie? Both are in Devon. I can't find anything else that begins with an `M' that looks like it.

Glenys

[Sharron]

DebbieAnn, if the census with this name on is available on Ancestry, could you give me sufficient details to go and have a look myself? I spend the best part of my working day working out bad handwriting.

Mind you, I puzzled for months about my great grandmother. The scrap of paper said she was born in "Harcross near .........." and then something I couldn't figure out, but I assumed it was a larger village or town than Harcross. I got her marriage certificate and it said "Starcross", but I have never figured out what the name of the other place was!

[Sharron]

DebbieAnn,

I've just spotted a place called Zeal MONACHORUM? Missed out the Zel bit and nobody could spell the other word???

[DebbieAnn]

busyglen,

Doesn't look like it - it's in the 1861 census for Hackney, Middlesex. RG9/159, Hackney Workhouse, Folio: 155, Pg 20, 3rd from the bottom. London Do (for Midd) was squiggled out and above London was written Macocorm or whatever, and on top of Do was written Devon...

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

Ooh... Sharron, that may be it!!! Thank you!!

I would love to be able to find her marriage to William, he had been living in Dunbartonshire, Scotland and moved back to Surrey when his first wife died leaving him with young children. His step-mother, who raised him was in Surrey. I assume he married Elizabeth in either Surrey or Devon. It would have been between 1811 and 1851.

Does anyone have the 1841 census to see if they were married then?

Debbie

[hope full]

Was her maiden name STANTIFORD by any chance (IGI marriage William Tagg m. Elizabeth)?

As there are Stantiford's from Zeal Monachorum on the 1851 living in London

Hope

[hope full]

As you were

The marriage on IGI was 07 DEC 1806 - sorry :(

Hope

[DebbieAnn]

I've never known her maiden name, or if she and William had children together. Do you have the details of the Stantiford marriage?

In 1851, they were both alive but in the workhouse. It says they were both blind, or deaf, or dumb but in 1861 he has died and she is not disabled in that way. His step-mother is my direct ancestor. On that side of my tree, there is a great deal of blindness and in the most recent generations a great deal of Glaucoma. It seems to have come straight down through the Tagg line... I am borderline, my mother has it, both her siblings have it, her father had it, and his father had it. His grandmother was Mary Tagg, and her grandfather was John Tagg who was William's father. So I'm trying to do as much branching out as I can to find anything to do with blindness in that line...

Debbie

[hope full]

Hi Debbie :)

it's on Family Search

WILLIAM TAGG
Marriages:
Spouse: ELISABETH STANTIFORD
Marriage: 07 DEC 1806 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

I was inspired by Sharron's suggestion and it just seemed like it could be a link

Hope

[Lynda Cunningham]

Hi Debbie

1841
HO107/698/5/13/21
Parish: Hackney Borough: Tower Hamlets
3 Union Row
Tagg William 60 Gardener Born in County? Yes
Tagg Elizabeth 50 No
Tagg Henry 15 Yes
Ann Holdway 45 Seamstress No

best wishes
Lynda

[DebbieAnn]

Well, darn - that can't be my William! His first marriage was to Jean Stewart in Dunbartonshire in 1809. Maybe the census I found for 1851 and 1861 is for the wrong William! The ages are close enough, though - mine was born 3 Feb 1782 in Esher, Surrey... and that 1851 census is the only one that fits! Then the 1861 follows, as she's still in the workhouse (though it DOES say needlewoman instead of greengrocer for her occupation...) and that's the one that gives the parish name in Devon... so if that's not she, then WHERE IS ELIZABETH IN 1861?????

AAAAARRRRGGGGGG!!!

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

Linda,

Thank you! So they had a son named Henry, b: abt 1826...

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

I'm going to go on the assumption that the 1841 and 1851 census are for my William and the 1861 may or may not be for his second wife. Her maiden name could not be the Stantiford marriage, because it's at least 5 years too early. What was Ann Holdway doing living with them in 1841? Maybe Elizabeth's maiden name was Holdway? Henry must have been from the second marriage, so it must have taken place by 1826 or so. Elizabeth must have been pushing 50 about the time he was born, so likely he was her last child.

So, I'll see what I can find for Holdways from Monachorum...

Debbie