HMS Royal Adelaide

[busyglen]

I have just received the marriage certificate of my husbands gt. grandfather, John Charles Peters, showing he married on 14th Jan. 1877. His place of residence was given as HMS Royal Adelaide, Hamoaze, Devonport.

We know he was in the Royal Navy, and later transferred to the Coastguards, but what has puzzled me is that, upon looking up this ship, it was wrecked on the Chesil on 25th Nov. 1872. I can't find anything further for `another' Royal Adelaide, but there must have been one for him to state it as his place of residency. Does anyone know anything more on this ship please? :confused:

Glenys

[keith9351]

This is from http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/R/R.html

Royal Adelaide, † 1828
Type: 1st rate ; Armament 104
Completed ‡ : 29 Jul 1828 ; Disposal date or year § : 1905
Disposal Details : Scrapped
BM: 2446 tons ; Displacement: 4122 tons
Propulsion: Sail
Notes:
Laid down as London.
1820 Building as London, WJNH
1830 Plymouth, rated as 110
Jan 1848 Devonport,
20 Dec 1848 Devonport,
1860 Depot Ship
1860 Reserve Depot Ship, Devonport
1870 Flag Ship, Devonport, 26 guns
1879 Flag Ship Devonport, 13 guns
1879 Officers borne for: Harbour Master, Plymouth ; Plymouth Hospital
1879 Tenders: Bruiser, Harpy, Vivid
Apr 1886 Devonport
1890 Receiving Hulk, Devonport.
1890 Accommodation Ship, Chatham

Hope it helps
Keith

[Mythology]

To add to that .....

There is the "Royal Adelaide"
and there is "HMS Royal Adelaide"

The one that came unstuck in 1872 was a passenger ship on its way to Australia, not a Royal Navy ship, so you're not looking for a "later" one, you're looking for a *different* one - the one that Keith's given details of.

There's a photo of it at Devonport in 1890 in the Frith collection if THIS RATHER LONG URL (http://www.francisfrith.com/pageloader.asp?page=/shop/prints/printSelector.asp&neg=22465&collectionid=10&townid=D29&start=1&action=prevphoto) doesn't make your browser throw a wobbly.

[Dennis Harker]

There's also a list of personnel onboard HMS Royal Adelaide a few years later on this website.


http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/HMSAdelaide81.html

[Dennis Harker]

It's for the 1881 census so probably no use to you. I see there's a Jane Peters on board as a domestic servant - any relation?

[Peter Goodey]

ADM 117/813-816 at the National Archives covers the Royal Adelaide in 1877.

[busyglen]

Ah!!! Thanks Myth! I had not realised...I searched Google for HMS Royal Adelaide, but lower down found the Royal Adelaide, and hadn't realised my error. So glad I have people guiding me on my way. ;)

Thanks for the photo....I didn't have a problem with my new pc....took it all in it's stride!! :)

Glenys

[busyglen]

Thanks for that Keith, a great help. :)

Glenys

[busyglen]

Thanks Dennis, I did spot that ULR and searched it even though I didn't think he would be still on it in 1881. In fact I have so far been unable to trace John Charles Peters on the 1881. I `assume' that he was either overseas and not recorded, or mis-transcribed. I have his wife and children in Devonport, but nary a sight of him.!

Glenys

[busyglen]

Cheers Peter, that's worth knowing.

Glenys

[Dennis Harker]

Then the chances are that he was serving overseas perhaps. I haven't looked up any military records yet so not sure if you would be able to find out details of RN at sea in 1881. Did they carry out census of all in the RN or just those on ships in the UK for that given night?

[busyglen]

Then the chances are that he was serving overseas perhaps. I haven't looked up any military records yet so not sure if you would be able to find out details of RN at sea in 1881. Did they carry out census of all in the RN or just those on ships in the UK for that given night?

I am not too sure about that Dennis. I `assume' that it was only those on ships in the UK. I searched the 1881 and found a John Peters on a ship but it was very sketchy, with hardly any details. I don't think it was an RN ship either. Whoever was responsible for writing down the details marked him down as a KROOMAN! I discounted it as it didn't look an RN ship, and as he joined in 1871 and was on HMS Royal Adelaide in 1877 and then went on to be transferred to the Coastguards later.......unless this was a Coastguard ship? I hadn't thought of that. Will have to have another look at that record.
I'd be interested to know if ships `outside' of the UK were listed somewhere, should anyone know.

Thanks Dennis for your input. :)

Glenys

[Geoffers]

I'd be interested to know if ships `outside' of the UK were listed somewhere, should anyone know.
RN ships at sea or in foreign ports are included in the 1881 census transcript available on CD-rom. They are included in the 'Northern Borders and Miscellany Disc'. You could find where a ship was at this time by referring to the 'Navy List'.

Although enumerated far better than the army, not all RN census schedules have survived.

Geoffers

[busyglen]

RN ships at sea or in foreign ports are included in the 1881 census transcript available on CD-rom. They are included in the 'Northern Borders and Miscellany Disc'. You could find where a ship was at this time by referring to the 'Navy List'.

Although enumerated far better than the army, not all RN census schedules have survived.

Geoffers

Thanks Geoffers. I have the CD you mention, but I `thought' (obviously incorrectly) that these ships were in the UK. I will have another look, but thinks it's possible that if he wasn't mis-transcribed, he could be on a missing schedule.

Thanks for the tip about the `Navy List'.

Glenys

[LynA]

When an ancestor of mine transferred to the Coastguard from the Navy he was sent to Ireland. In 1901 he is not in UK census because it doesn't cover Eire. Could the same have happened to yours in 1881?


Regards,
Lynda

[busyglen]

That is also a possibility Lynda. I will have to try and discover when he was transferred into the Coastguards. I have his number and date of joining the RN, but can't get to Kew to get the records which is a pain. Never mind, not the end of the world.

I have had another look at the 1881 and the John Peters that is shown, was on the `Foam' which was a destroyer. He is also shown as unmarried, when he was married at that time, and no details given of place of birth etc. It `could' be him I suppose, and I shouldn't discount it...it's a pity his age wasn't given as well.

I do have him from 1891 and 1901 which is something. I'm just tracing back now to find his birth, now that I have his marriage cert.

Thanks again for your idea, it is definately a possibility. I will try the Irish Coastguards website to see if he is there.

Glenys

[peter nicholl]

Hi Glenys

Did you know that TNA have Seamen's Service Records on-line? For £3.50 you can get a printout. They have one John Charles Peters, Official No 57943, Born Devonport 11 August 1856 on ADM188/34.

HTH

Peter

[busyglen]

Hi Glenys

Did you know that TNA have Seamen's Service Records on-line? For £3.50 you can get a printout. They have one John Charles Peters, Official No 57943, Born Devonport 11 August 1856 on ADM188/34.

HTH

Peter

Thanks Peter, but I'm afraid Geoffers beat you to it in another thread! I'm grateful to you for taking the trouble to look it up though, as if Geoffers hadn't spotted it, I would have missed it. I hadn't realised that some of these records were down-loadable.

I got the printout and it has his full Coastguard Service until he retired, including lists of ships etc. Still don't know where he got his birth date from, as he was born in 1854!! Must have been his christening, but I've got to go to the PRs for that.

Thanks again. :)

Glenys

[busyglen]

Actually, one other thing I found out was that he was on the `Tyne' at the time of the 1881 Census. I printed off the whole of the ship's crew, but he wasn't there, even as a badly spelt name. As he was in the Coastguard service at this time, he may have been out on another boat during Census day and not recorded elsewhere.
I have him on other Censuses so not essential, but it would have been nice to have found him. He wasn't at home with his wife, as she is to be found with the children.

Glenys.