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Stephen M. Kohler
23-02-2005, 5:18 PM
I am interested in the McKay family of Thurso, Caithness, Scotland. I am specifically seeking information on the parents and siblings of David McKay b. May 24 1793 in Thurso, Caithiness, Scotland. David immigrated to Canada and settled on the west side of the East Jordon River, Shelburne, Nova Scotia, Canada. David McKay married Janet McPherson, dau. of Lachlan and Elizabeth (Urquhart) McPherson, b., April 6, 1799 I East Jordan. N.S. I have much information on generations descending from this marriage that I am happy to share with other McKay researchers.

/R

Stephen
Washington, DC

Inez Reed
21-01-2008, 11:37 PM
Dear Sir - I am currently working with the descendants of William Curry McKay. He was born in that last quarter of the 18th century (abt 1777) in prob. in (Cape Dread?) Caithness or Sutherland County, Scotland. He died in 1872 in Shelburne. He married Catherine Morrison (b. abt. 1777 in Scotland). My "grandmother" was Margaret McKay (1806-1899).

There are many McKay families that living in Shelburne County throughout the 19th century. I have not, unfortunately, had any joy finding my McKay family in Scotland. If you could shed any light on this fellow and his family, I would greatly appreciate it.

Sincerely,

Inez Reed

Stephen M. Kohler
30-01-2008, 9:57 PM
Inez,
Dear Inez,
Let me begin by saying “Hi Cuz”! You are not a McKay from Shelburne without being a McKay from Thurso. It’s that simple. All the New England McKay families know this! Now if we could only teach this to the Caithness and Sutherland McKay families we’d be in the genealogy business rather than just playing at it.

It’s the name McKay, err rather the name MacKay - There is a disparity in the loyalties felt to the English. Some McKay(s) were loyalist to the crown. Many MacKay(s) were loyal to the Rea MacKay. Who was loyal to the crown of Denmark and Sweden. Nobody with a last name like MacKay living in Caithness and Sutherland today is going to admit relations to a McKay living in Canada or the US today because of this fact. What’s sad is that most McKays in Canada and the US did not drop the first “a” in their name until after the beginning of the Twentieth Century. So, no one knows anyone’s loyalties anymore anyway!

My great grandmother was Margaret Janet “Jane” McKay. Are we tracking?

I’ll take a look at William Curry McKay and see where he fits in to my family and share back the information. Don't change your name back to MacKay!

Sincerely,

Stephen

Mike_E
31-01-2008, 12:03 AM
My great grandmother was Margaret Janet “Jane” McKay. Are we tracking?

Hi Stephen,

don't suppose you have any MacKay's living in Aberdeen around 1810? I know this is a long shot, and quite a way further south east, But it's a part of my tree I've not done too much work on.
I have a Jane Duff MacKay b abt 1789 (don't know where yet) who married George Cornwall in about 1820 and was living in Aberdeen when their first child Margaret was born in 1824.
Jane is my 3x Great GrandMother. I have her parents as Alexander MacKay and Jane Duff.
The Cornwall's were printers, and one of their sons move to the US in the 1850's. It's this son in the US I'm descended from.

Inez Reed
31-01-2008, 6:08 AM
Hi Cuz, indeed! I have two Margaret McKays in my line. The elder Margaret was born in Hartz Point in 1806 and died in Shelburne in 1899. Her father was William Curry McKay (1777-1820). Her mother was Catherine Morrison (1777-1872). She married George Swansburg (b. abt 1794) who was the son of Christian Swansburg (Schweinsburg from Hesse) who came to the Shelburne area at the close of the American Revolution.

Their daughter, Margaret McKay Swansburg married my great-grandfather Sutton (also known as Thomas Sutton Walker). My grandfather emigrated to Massachusetts around 1900 and worked, I believe, in the McKay shipyard (or what remained of it) in Boston.

My grandfather Walker recounted most of this information verbally and other bits I've pieced together from census records and the noodlings of other researchers.

The jump to Scotland though...may as well be the dark side of the moon!

Take care and let me know if this sounds "close"

Inez

Inez Reed
31-01-2008, 6:10 AM
This may be coincidence but my great grandmother Margaret McKay Walker was only known as "Jane" as was her mother.

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
31-01-2008, 9:36 PM
Hi Cuz,
We are spitting close. My grandfather is Edward Thomas Swansburg. His father was Edward Doane (called Jones) Swansburg (He worked as a ship’s joiner for his wife’s cousin Donald McKay in the east Boston shipyards). Jones was married to Margaret Janet “Jane” McKay. Christian Swansburg (Schweinsburg from Hesse) is my fifth great-grandfather.

More on the Schweinsbergs – They only settled in Hesse after The Thirty Years War. The came over with the Rea MacKay’s highland troops from Caithness and Sutherland and fought in the war to support their blood relatives from Sweden. The name varies much but you can bet that anyone with “Swan…” or “Swin…” in their name from Northern Scotland is related. They descend from Norse Vikings, Norman pirates, Anglo-Norman invaders that melded into the Scottish population.

Is your Reed family descended from Colonel Andrew Reed of Boothbay, Maine and Antrim, Ireland by any chance?

I know your Walker side very well. Aside from immigrating to East Boston and Weymouth, Massachusetts some made Maine their home.

I was born in Melrose, Massachusetts. My mom and sister live in Reading, MA.

Let’s explore this more.

Cuz Stephen

Stephen M. Kohler
31-01-2008, 9:50 PM
Hi Mike,
A McKay is a MacKay, is a MacKey, is a MacKoy, is a McCoy, etc., etc., etc. And they all claim to have descended from Aod (A guy in the Bible related to Moses somehow).

Aberdeen rings a bell. So, it may not be as long a shot as you think though. Because the MacKays/McKays got around a lot. I’ll have to research this more.

Where in the US is your ancestor’s home?

V/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
31-01-2008, 10:40 PM
Stephen said

"More on the Schweinsbergs – They only settled in Hesse after The Thirty Years War. The came over with the Rea MacKay’s highland troops from Caithness and Sutherland and fought in the war to support their blood relatives from Sweden. The name varies much but you can bet that anyone with “Swan…” or “Swin…” in their name from Northern Scotland is related. They descend from Norse Vikings, Norman pirates, Anglo-Norman invaders that melded into the Scottish population."

Stephen, I don't think that's accurate. I have supporting evidence from the other part of our tribe, the Harpels, that he was with a Hessian Regiment garrisoned in Rhode, Island. His reg't was at Fort Washington and was in and out of NewYork State. His Harpel wife was the daughter of Johannes Ludwig Harpel.

Is your Reed family descended from Colonel Andrew Reed of Boothbay, Maine and Antrim, Ireland by any chance?

No, but close...they're an odd bunch that came up to Mount Desert about one generation before the American Revolution. The esteemed male ancestor was a "Capt. William Reed of Naskeag, Maine. I descend from his son James Reed and Patty Milliken. The related lines are Dow, Robbins, Stewart(d), and a cast of many going back to Salem, Salisbury and Amesbury, MA.

"I know your Walker side very well. Aside from immigrating to East Boston and Weymouth, Massachusetts some made Maine their home."

Some? Oh, heavens, there were many Walkers but sadly only one of my mother's sisters is living.

I was born in Melrose, Massachusetts. My mom and sister live in Reading, MA.

I was born in Chelsea, Massachusetts.

Let’s explore this more.

Defintely, Cuz Inez

Inez Reed
01-02-2008, 2:28 AM
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Stephen - You would think in the same confines of Shelburne, that there would have been some agreement on how these surnames are spelled. The people researching the Harpels, for example, seem to use Schweinsburger to refer to our agreed ancestor, Christian Swansburg.

A William McKay is listed as evaluating the estate of Donald MacAlipine in 1829.

Regarding the parents of William McKay and/or Catherine Morrison, I do believe one of them descended from a John Ross but not THE Sir John Ross.

All of these families seem to have been in Shelburne early on in its history.

Later,

Inez

Mike_E
01-02-2008, 9:27 AM
Aberdeen rings a bell. So, it may not be as long a shot as you think though. Because the MacKays/McKays got around a lot. I’ll have to research this more.

Where in the US is your ancestor’s home?


Hi Stephen,

My ancestors were in Iowa, Clinton county to be precise. James Steel Cornwall, who's mother was a Mackay went to the US in the 1850's, and met a lady from Hull UK, and married her. They travelled back a forwards a couple of times, and one daughter stayed in the UK, and I'm descended from her. I've got access to Scotlands People, but have had little luck with getting anything on Jame's parents. James was born in 1833. I'll keep digging, and maybe will bump into your ancestry somewhere along the line.

daveareed
18-03-2008, 6:21 PM
I am a descendent of Colonel Reed...I'd like to discuss... Please email me.

-David Reed
Bangor, Maine





Hi Cuz,
We are spitting close. My grandfather is Edward Thomas Swansburg. His father was Edward Doane (called Jones) Swansburg (He worked as a ship’s joiner for his wife’s cousin Donald McKay in the east Boston shipyards). Jones was married to Margaret Janet “Jane” McKay. Christian Swansburg (Schweinsburg from Hesse) is my fifth great-grandfather.

More on the Schweinsbergs – They only settled in Hesse after The Thirty Years War. The came over with the Rea MacKay’s highland troops from Caithness and Sutherland and fought in the war to support their blood relatives from Sweden. The name varies much but you can bet that anyone with “Swan…” or “Swin…” in their name from Northern Scotland is related. They descend from Norse Vikings, Norman pirates, Anglo-Norman invaders that melded into the Scottish population.

Is your Reed family descended from Colonel Andrew Reed of Boothbay, Maine and Antrim, Ireland by any chance?

I know your Walker side very well. Aside from immigrating to East Boston and Weymouth, Massachusetts some made Maine their home.

I was born in Melrose, Massachusetts. My mom and sister live in Reading, MA.

Let’s explore this more.

Cuz Stephen

tpbiii
29-06-2008, 6:33 PM
I am interested in the McKay family of Thurso, Caithness, Scotland. I am specifically seeking information on the parents and siblings of David McKay b. May 24 1793 in Thurso, Caithiness, Scotland. David immigrated to Canada and settled on the west side of the East Jordon River, Shelburne, Nova Scotia, Canada. David McKay married Janet McPherson, dau. of Lachlan and Elizabeth (Urquhart) McPherson, b., April 6, 1799 I East Jordan. N.S. I have much information on generations descending from this marriage that I am happy to share with other McKay researchers.

/R

Stephen
Washington, DC

Hi Stephen,

My name is Tom Barnwell. My mother is Mary Ellen (McKay) Barnwell, daughter of Leslie B. McKay, son of (William) Ernest McKay, son of William McKay, son of David McKay and Janet McPherson.

I am writing these from the upstairs bedroom of the house on the Jordan River (Jordan Falls, NS) in which David and Janet lived and raised their children. (We live in Atlanta, and we are up in Nova Scotia for the summer.) His son William (my great great grandfather) lived in the house and raised his children here too. Most of the family move to Boston and Everett MA sometime between 1880 and 1890, and the house went to a relative named Donald McKay. In 1890, William bought the house, and went there every summer -- my grandfather, Leslie, spend summers there with his grandfather, William.

When William died, the house went to his daughter, Ann Grace, who gave it to my Grandfather in the 1940s. He made it into a summer home (he lived in Florida by then), and I (and all my siblings and cousins) spent summers here in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s.

We have had the house since 2002. I retired from Georgia Tech in 2006, and now we are spending summers here too. The house has remained in the family now for pretty near 200 years.

Sounds like we should talk.

Best,
-Tom

Inez Reed
30-06-2008, 3:07 PM
Hi Tom - My grandfather, Thomas Sutton Walker (1887-1967), left Jordan Falls when he was about 12 or 13. He was the youngest son of Thomas and Margaret McKay Swansburg Walker. As the youngest boy, he was likely farmed out to relatives in the Boston area. I haven't checked the 1900 or 1910 census to see just where he was living or with what relatives. He may have worked in the shipyards.

The family home in Jordan Falls was a two story frame with a four square roof that was built in the late 19th century.

Up until recent years, I had several Mahaney cousins living in the Shelburne area. I'm still piecing together the siblings, various great aunties, etc. There are also Armstrong and Manguard families that are related.

Best wishes,

Inez

tpbiii
30-06-2008, 4:56 PM
Hi Tom - My grandfather, Thomas Sutton Walker (1887-1967), left Jordan Falls when he was about 12 or 13. He was the youngest son of Thomas and Margaret McKay Swansburg Walker. As the youngest boy, he was likely farmed out to relatives in the Boston area. I haven't checked the 1900 or 1910 census to see just where he was living or with what relatives. He may have worked in the shipyards.

The family home in Jordan Falls was a two story frame with a four square roof that was built in the late 19th century.

Up until recent years, I had several Mahaney cousins living in the Shelburne area. I'm still piecing together the siblings, various great aunties, etc. There are also Armstrong and Manguard families that are related.

Best wishes,

Inez

Hi Ines,

Well your family names are very familiar. Our hobby is playing music, and we played a show last night with Curtis Mahaney in Liverpool. Curtis is the (77 year old) son of the late Sidney Mahaney -- the legendary dory builder of Shelburne.

My Grandparents' closest friends in the 50's were George Swansburg and Vic and Viola Walker. Vic and Viola lived up the road about 1/4 mile in a house such as you describe. We had dinner on Friday with Francis Walker Richardson, the last living child of Vic and Viola. If that is the house, I spend many hours there as a child, where I was trained to play many, many card games. Their youngest child was named Margret -- she died last year. Could Vic have been your uncle?

Vic and Viola Walker and my grandparents, Leslie and Gertrude McKay, are all buried in the cemetery on the Lake John Road in Jordan Falls.

Another Mahaney we know in Shelburne is Al Mahaney. He is probably in his late 70s or early 80s. He lived many years in MA. He is a country musician, and he pretty much runs the Shelburne summer musical events. We play music with him now and again.

My grandfather died in 1960 -- just a year before I entered MIT in 1961. He was born on Beacon St., which is where I lived while in school. He died too soon to know.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
01-07-2008, 3:03 AM
My grandfather Walker had two older brothers, Uncle Vic(tor) and Uncle Charlie. My grandfather was a great story teller. He had worked the lumber camps most of his adult life and must have spent endless hours telling stories, embroidering tall tales and probably stretching the truth pretty thin. Supposedly "the boys" were competitors in such sports as log rolling. I think that their father was also involved in the lumber industry.

The last time I saw Uncle Vic and Aunt Viola must have been in 1964. We had stayed with my cousin Jeanette Mahaney. I want to say that Al was her husband. They had three children. Ruth was the closest in age to me so I remember her the best. I think Doug is now retired from the RCMP and may live in Ontario.

I also had a cousin who I remember only as "Nurney". We would spend summers up at some of the camps in that area.

My grandfather also had an elder sister, Aunt Kate who I met once. I think there were other kids but they may have died young.

I haven't thought of Uncle Vic in so long. Thank you for mentioning him.

Thank you for mentioning these folks. Make me feel all the warmer just thinking about them on such a drizzly evening!

Best wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
01-07-2008, 3:09 AM
Interesting you mention playing cards, my grandfather (known as Sutton) was a fiend for playing cribbage. My mother had a cribbage board that he'd made when he was working up at Barnjum lumber camp (in Maine) when she was a child (1920s).

George Swansburg was a cousin of sorts, I think, he was g-grandmother Jane (or Margaret properly) Swansburg Walker's brother(?). I really should go through the census records and fill in some of these gaps!

Best wishes,

Inez

I understand there was a family Bible kicking around somewhere but never saw it. I don't know if it was old but it may have been helpful on some of these McKays.

tpbiii
01-07-2008, 5:06 AM
My grandfather Walker had two older brothers, Uncle Vic(tor) and Uncle Charlie. My grandfather was a great story teller. He had worked the lumber camps most of his adult life and must have spent endless hours telling stories, embroidering tall tales and probably stretching the truth pretty thin. Supposedly "the boys" were competitors in such sports as log rolling. I think that their father was also involved in the lumber industry.

The last time I saw Uncle Vic and Aunt Viola must have been in 1964. We had stayed with my cousin Jeanette Mahaney. I want to say that Al was her husband. They had three children. Ruth was the closest in age to me so I remember her the best. I think Doug is now retired from the RCMP and may live in Ontario.

I also had a cousin who I remember only as "Nurney". We would spend summers up at some of the camps in that area.

My grandfather also had an elder sister, Aunt Kate who I met once. I think there were other kids but they may have died young.

I haven't thought of Uncle Vic in so long. Thank you for mentioning him.

Thank you for mentioning these folks. Make me feel all the warmer just thinking about them on such a drizzly evening!

Best wishes,

Inez

Hi Inez,

We just came back from Chuchover -- Curtis Mahaney took us mackerel fishing. We caught 20, and took them back to his house and cooked them. Out on the boat (we stayed real close to shore), we had a fine view of the Acker house and barn. Your cousin Catherine (Nurney and Jeanette's sister) lived there with her husband Tom, and they shared the house with her father-in-law and mother-in-law, Mack and Annie Acker. I came to visit my grandmother after my junior year at MIT, and I ended up escorting Valda Acker (Tom and Catherine's daughter) to her senior prom. That would have been June of 1964. I really did not know her well as a young adult, but I played with her as a child.

Nurney was one of my all time favorite people. He was very close in age to my uncle "Buddy" (L. B. McKay Jr.), and they got into quite a bit of trouble together. When I was young, he was mostly away in the Air Force. His wife's name is Gene. After my grandmother was widowed in 1960 (she lived 30 more years), Nurney looked after her with great care and dedication. I am sure you know he died young of cancer. Even now, it makes me sad to think about it.

He and my Aunt Annie (Ann Grace McKay, my mother's sister) were involved in the great moose caper. They were back in the woods, out of season, with a couple of other kids -- they all had 22 caliber rifles. They were not suppose to be there!

So they came across a moose, which charged them. After many shots, the moose finally went to its knees, and they all ran away as fast as they could. At that time, your Uncle Vic was the game warden. For days and days, that moose was the talk of Jordan Falls -- who could have poached it. After the commotion died down, your Uncle Vic showed up one day at the door with the moose antlers. He gave them to my aunt, and said "I think these belong to you." Those antlers hung in my bedroom in Florida when I was in high school.

My family was also quite close the Jeanette and Al Mahaney -- we often visited them in their home in Shelburne, and I believe I stayed the night several times.

My grandfather taught me to play cribbage, and I played many a game with Aunt Kate. I called Francis (Walker) Richardson today -- she is Nurney, Jeanette, and Catherine's sister -- the last of the siblings. She and I have had a cribbage match going since 2002 to decide the USA/Canada championship. We play a couple of times a year, and we talk about it continuously. Weird thing is, every year it is a tie. Spooky.

She told me she has her whole side of the family documented, and she will be glad to share. I'm off to VT for a week to visit my wife's family and Francis is off to PEI to visit her daughter, but next week after we both return, we have to settle this cribbage thing once and for all |laugh1||laugh1|. If you like, I can bring along a scanner and copy that stuff for you.

Also, my mother (Mary Ellen McKay Barnwell) is alive and well at 88 and living in Jacksonville. She knows all this stuff really well. If you want to make some contacts, send me a PM.

Best,



-Tom

Inez Reed
02-07-2008, 2:39 AM
Tom - I had heard that Nurney died young. He had a big heart and I'm certain that he periodically looked in on Aunt Kate. As you said, just thinking about a world without Nurney makes me sad.

I'm not really too terribly certain just how we were related to the Mahaney clan but you'd have to go pretty far to find better kinsmen. I have many "relatives" that I couldn't tell you "if" or "how" we're related but they are none the less kin.

I would love to see just what material you have on the family. My mother was an avid genealogist and it always frustrated her that she couldn't get beyond Sutton and Jane (Swansburg) Walker. I filled in some material but the Walker tribe isn't as well documented as I'd like. Over the years, I've been able to piece together some of the direct line but not much detail of the McKay and their allied families.

I had hoped to get to Grand Lake Stream, Maine for the Walker family reunion the first week in August (roughly Civic Holiday weekend). Grandfather Walker came to the village during the second world war when he ran lumber crews out of the German POW camps. After the war, I think grandfather also worked as a gilly in all but the dead of winter and then it was making snow shoes and canoes.

You had to mention mackerel fishing...sigh...I haven't been mackerel fishing in years. Do you run jig lines?

Take care and hope to hear from you soon. I think you can send a private email here if you like (somehow through the forum). I'm semi-retired as a cultural resource consultant and get to devote more time to these little addicting projects...

Best wishes,

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
04-07-2008, 3:00 PM
Hi Stephen,
...son of David McKay and Janet McPherson.

I am writing these from the upstairs bedroom of the house on the Jordan River (Jordan Falls, NS) in which David and Janet lived and raised their children.

I retired from Georgia Tech in 2006, and now we are spending summers here too. The house has remained in the family now for pretty near 200 years.

Sounds like we should talk.

Best,
-Tom

Cuz Tom, Pleasure to meet you though I am a Florida State seminole Fan having served five years in the Army in Tallahassee. I'm really an ACC fan. You can not get a better hot dog than at Georgia Tech.

David and Janet are my ggggrandparents. Do you have M. Robertson's genealogy papers on the McPhersons and the McKays?
Can anyone explain the relationship of David McKay and SGT Donald McKay (The Highlander)?
Were they brothers? Were they father and son? I understand that David's passage from Caithness was bought by Donald. Is there anyway we can convince you to post a picture of the home in Jordan Falls?

Inez and I will need to plan a trip to Jordan Falls one day when you are summering there. I dream of sailing to Nova Scotia one day. I am a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the US Army with 25 years of service. I once taught Information Technology. Now I live in Northern Virginia and work at the Pentagon.

We will need to talk an awful lot more.

Cuz,
Stephen

Inez Reed
05-07-2008, 3:03 AM
Hi Stephen & Tom - Before I forget, I'm awaiting an inter-library loan of one of David Dobson on Scottish Immigration. He compiled a directory based on source material in Scotland for departures to the States. It's an extensive work.

I'm also working on finding the origins of a Duncan Stiuhard (Stewart) who was banished to MA following the Battle of Dunbar. This loan seems to be on mule back...sigh.

Best wishes,

Inez

tpbiii
05-07-2008, 4:50 AM
Cuz Tom, Pleasure to meet you though I am a Florida State seminole Fan having served five years in the Army in Tallahassee. I'm really an ACC fan. You can not get a better hot dog than at Georgia Tech.

Let's hear it for the Varsity.

I was raised in Jacksonville, and FSU offered me a job at the same time as GT. But then they took it back and closed the whole department -- go figure?


David and Janet are my ggggrandparents.

Yea, me too. I gave my lineage above. What is yours?


Do you have M. Robertson's genealogy papers on the McPhersons and the McKays?

Yes.



Can anyone explain the relationship of David McKay and SGT Donald McKay (The Highlander)?
Were they brothers? Were they father and son?


Not likely either I think. They are the wrong ages. The only thing I have ever found written on the topic says no one knows.


I understand that David's passage from Caithness was bought by Donald.

I never heard that -- where did you get that?

Here are parts of a conversation I am having with Inez Reed by email.

Tom: Some, but not with much luck. I was quite excited by this site because
this forum topic started out talking about my ggg grandfather David McKay. It is his house that we now have, pasted down from long ago. In the Shelburne area, there were two McKay families. The first to come was a sargeant in the British army, named Donald, who received a land grant after the American Revolution -- 1783 or so. The other was descended from David McKay (my ggg gf), who came soon after 1800. They lived side by side in Jordan -- they may have be related (in Scotland) but that is not known.

Tom: Donald McKay's first son, Hugh, married Ann McPherson and and David (my ggg gf) married her younger sister, Janet. The famous Donald McKay was the son of Hugh and Ann, and he was the first cousin of my gg gf, William. Even though they were both McKays, they were actually related through their mothers, Ann and Janet.

Tom: So if you come from Jordan Falls McKays, the first question is which family you come from. This is all the more complicated because there were many children, and much inter marriage.

Inez: It's my understanding that these McKays lived at Hartz Point. I had also wondered just where my ggg-gf and ggg-gm McKay married, here or Scotland??? Did she come to NS with her parents? I haven't looked at any of the Morrisons in that area.

Tom: Right now, I am trying to check out an old family "legend" -- according to my grandfather, Leslie, his grandfather William told him the famous Donald McKay was born in our house. All I know so far is that David got the property in 1825, 15 years after the famous Donald was born. I don't yet know who he got it from. His sister-in-law was indeed the mother of famous Donald.

Tom: This is not really important, but it is nice summer fun.



Is there anyway we can convince you to post a picture of the home in Jordan Falls?

Sure, but it will probably have to wait to we get back to Canada next week. We are visiting family in VT, and we are technology challenged. PM me with an email address, and I can send you some.

We have lots of artifacts in the house dating back well more than 100 years. The old house saw some bad times, particularly in the depression where it was nearly lost for taxes. It has been highly modified -- in the 30's, the neighbors kept livestock in it. This did not please my grandfather!

The land that goes with the house goes back 1 1/4 miles from the Jordan River. The lot next door, which we also own (my grandfather bought it in the 40's) runs back 1 1/2.




Inez and I will need to plan a trip to Jordan Falls one day when you are summering there. I dream of sailing to Nova Scotia one day.

Watch out for Cape Sable Island! But come on up. The place has four bedrooms, and we and use one. Of course, they are pretty small bedrooms by today's standards.


I am a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the US Army with 25 years of service. I once taught Information Technology. Now I live in Northern Virginia and work at the Pentagon.

I'm the guy who set the US and NATO standard 2400 BPS speech coder (Mixed Excitation Linear Predictive Coder MELP) -- so if you hate low bit rate secure communications, I am your man.



We will need to talk an awful lot more.

Sure. Let's get in touch when we get back to NS. Inez and I have already been talking by direct email. I guess there is no reason we can't do it publicly in case others are interested. PM me with an address, and I will copy you and bring you up to date.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
05-07-2008, 6:31 PM
Hi Tom and Stephen - I found a marriage date on the IGI that would fit into my time line for Shelburne, NS. A William McKay married a Caitherine Morrison in Thurso, Caithness, Scotland on 11 March 1803. This date, if it holds would allow me to narrow the departure date from Scotland to NS.

Best wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
05-07-2008, 6:54 PM
Hi Tom and Stephen - Let me correct this. I found a marriage date on the IGI that would fit into my time line for Shelburne, NS. A William McKay married a Caitherine Morrison in Brawlbin, Caithness, Scotland on 11 March 1803. This date, if it holds would allow me to narrow the departure date from Scotland to NS.

There was a Donald McKay listed that was a son of a William that would have been older than my William but at this point it's a fishing expedition.

Inez Reed
06-07-2008, 1:18 AM
Let me correct myself...again...Wm and Catharine Morrison were married in Thurso in 1803 as per first post.

There was a Donald McKay that was born in Brawlbin and later went to Thurso. He was definitely from the highlands. He's mentioned in the Book of McKay. That book has been digitized and is on the Family History Archive of the Mormon Church. I have dial up so I have not been able to wade through part 2 of the book which has all of the McKay branches.

Donald (joined 1777?) was mustered out of the 76th along with a Gilbert McKay. I've found some records associated with him (presumably dates are right) in Shelburne. I think Stephen's thoughts on the elder McKay being responsible for bringing some of his kinsmen into the area.

Take care and hope to hear from the two of you soon.

Inez

tpbiii
10-07-2008, 4:10 AM
We are back in Canada now. Here is a picture of the house.

http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/house.jpg

Here is the dining room

http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/diningroom.jpg

Here is an old picture -- 1930s?

Old house picture (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/houseold.jpg)

Here are pictures of family -- does anyone recognize anyone. There are mostly mid 19th century.

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/1.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/2.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/3.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/4.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/5.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/6.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/7.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/8.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/9.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/a.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/b.jpg)

Who am I? (http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~barnwell/family/c.jpg)

Best,

-Tom

joette
11-07-2008, 5:44 PM
I will be in Thurso at the end of this month so if anybody knows any locations there I am happy to photograph homes,cemeteries etc.
Any relation to David Oman McKay who was President of the LDS Church? I know his McKay Grandfather came from Thurso too?

Inez Reed
12-07-2008, 12:01 AM
Thank you Tom for posting photographs of the house. It looks very familiar. The older picture may have been taken just after the first World War. The quality of the picture reminds me of many of the pictures taken by various relatives in the early 1920s. Architecturally speaking, the house looks its age although I think the chimney in the older photo may be late 19th century. It appears to have a high degree of integrity and a high percentage of "original fabric".

Where was the stairwell?

When did the outbuildings come down?

Two or three of the photos look like something I may have seen in the past, mostly the two with the firearm, the group sitting in the parlor/dining room and one of the men with the very pale blue eyes. He reminds me of my grandfather Walker largely because Dad had the most incredible blue, almost violet eyes I have ever seen. He was quite fair and had red hair as a young man. His features were also quite sharp. I couldn't, however, put a name to any of them. Has Frances seen them?

Take care and thank you again for the pictures. The ladies dresses look a lot like the ones worn by the one picture I saw of Grandmother Jane S. Walker. I would guess it was taken around 1870 - 1880. Some of your ladies pictures certainly pre-date that. One lady appears twice, I think, interesting bracelets or cuff treatment...fashionista I'm not <g>.

Inez

Inez Reed
12-07-2008, 12:05 AM
Hi Joette - Are you going graveyard crawling? I wish I knew more about the churches in the area, the area, period. Are you looking for traces of your forebears in Thurso? Have you been through the Book of McKay on the family history section of the LDS family search site?

What are your particulars?

Best wishes,

Inez

joette
14-07-2008, 5:52 PM
No no McKay's in my line at all.I'm Scottish by birth & upbringing &LDS so am aware of David O McKay's lineage-he was very proud of being "Scottish" & he served in Thurso as a missionary for the LDS Church.
I will be visiting my sister who has moved to Thurso & as I love visiting Cemeteries!!! thought if anybody wanted any pics from any or from anywhere in Thurso would be happy to do so.

Inez Reed
15-07-2008, 2:58 AM
Hi Joette - While I know that my branch of the McKays came to Nova Scotia by 1806, they might have just been passing through Thurso. They may have been from Cape Wrath, Durness, Sutherland. I did have some notes on my old PC to that effect but thanks to a lightening strike...poof! you get the picture.

At any rate, David Oman McKay's forebears did come from the Thurso area. I believe he had Oman(d), Sutherland, McKay and maybe some Ross connections in Geise.

My father's cousin Archie Trimble was an LDS elder and I do recall reading through Secrets to a Happy Life by McKay that was shelved at his home one summer.

Thurso supposedly has the ruins of a castle and several churches. I'm personally very "snap happy" when it comes to old cemeteries and interesting inscriptions.

At any rate, keep an eye out for the unusual. I hope the weather favors you!

Best wishes,

Inez

joette
15-07-2008, 6:00 PM
Thanks & if I happen to be in Cape Wrath or Durness will take some pics!

cowboyguy
06-08-2008, 11:30 AM
Dear steven. I live in maine, Ive come back from mich. where my father was stationed in U.S. army corps. of enginers, there is were i was born, but my family is not from there. my father was born in hallowel me. after 1 year old they moved to calias me. his name was David p. (paul) mckay my mother was canadian Irene d. (doris) mckay, her maiden name was atcheson (best way i can spell it) lived in st. stevens, canada, my name is Kevin lloyd McKay, my grand father left them in the 30s and went to boston were my father seen him for the last time after the war, I had unkles gorge, erni, ed, clawd?, don, and i cant remember the other 2, i can if i look at albums my dad also had 7 sisters, i cant begin to remember, so basicly i know nothing of my family.
my aunt did some reserch, from what she said we desended from a noble line? any way what ever you can shere with me, id be honored, thank you. Kevin McKay|bowdown|

Inez Reed
07-08-2008, 2:51 PM
Hi Kevin - My father's family (Reed) is from Calais, Washington County, Maine and Charlotte County, NB. My Lowden grandmother's family was from St. Patrick's Parish, Charlotte County, NB and later Milltown/St. Stephens.

Hallowell is down the other end of Maine, as you know, but there were similar "migration" patterns coming into the area. Many of the families in Calais, my own included, came up to Washington County in the 1850s from Mt. Desert, Maine. Atcheson is a fairly common name there.

What's your earliest ancestor and maybe we can trace it from there?

Best wishes,

Inez Reed

Inez Reed
07-08-2008, 5:53 PM
Was your "grandfather" LLoyd Acheson of St. Stephens? The only thing that I have found so far is a birth announcement in the St. Croix Courier for Irene Doris Acheson who was born to Mr. and Mrs. Lloyd Acheson in February of 1928.

Please share your earlier generations if you have them. Now I am curious.

Best wishes,

Inez

cowboyguy
08-08-2008, 11:14 PM
INEZ. YES that is my mom, she met my father David Paul McKay at a skating rink over the border in calias, Lloyd was my grandfather, This is exciting already. I dont know much about my family, is there any body that knows anymore about my family?


INEZ hit that out of the park, first swing!:)

Inez Reed
09-08-2008, 3:10 AM
I found a limited amount of material on line concerning your father's family.

From the 1880 US Census, Calais, Washington, County, Maine.

James McKay, Carpenter, b. 1830 in New Brunswick, Canada and his wife Lavinia
Children: Frank J. McKay b. 1863; Addie E. b. 1860; Alma L. McKay b. 1869; Harry W. McKay b. 1871; Oliver R. b. 1876; and Ella R. McKay

Frank J. McKay married Mary Emma Floyd. Child: George Elmer McKay

George Elmer McKay, born 22 Nov 1887 (Maine?) d. Providence, RI in 1857 and Mary Davida White. Mary Davida White was born 5 May 1887 in Parrsboro, NS and died 28 March 1976 in Calais, Maine.

George and Mary White McKay were the parents of David Paul McKay.

I have a good deal more on Mary Davida White's family in NS. Her family's name was actually Slauenwhite, various spellings and they came to NS from Germany in the late 18th century.

Best wishes,

Inez

cowboyguy
09-08-2008, 10:34 AM
My fathers twin sister's name was Davida McKay, and when my G.-mother came to this country had to change her name to just White. That is my family line. any more from anybody, or family members. thank you INEZ. kevin.

Inez Reed
11-09-2008, 5:50 PM
Well haven't we all been quiet as church mice? Did everybody have a good summer?

I've had no new leads on my McKay family but managed to tie up a lose end from my mother's genealogy notebook. She would have really enjoyed finally seeing where Catherine Gordon's family came from (another Scot). I also worked on some McKays from PEI. Now there's an interesting lot. They hailed from Campbelltown in Argyle and were in PEI by 1775.

Take care, don't be strangers.

Inez

Inez Reed
25-09-2008, 4:30 AM
Stephen or Tom - Perhaps this would best be answered by cousin Frances Walker Richardson but do either of you know which McKay family Charles Walker married into? Mary McKay Walker would have been an aunt to my mother and Frances. Any guesses?

For that matter, did Charles and Mary Walker stay in NS?

Best wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
25-09-2008, 6:00 PM
The forebears and descendants of a John McKie/McKay, Queens County, NS

http://uk.geocities.com/malcolm.hupman@btinternet.com/genealogy/page73.html

Archives of Nova Scotia, Cousin Stephen (the one above includes Gravenstine references as well)

CS 90 G884 2000 Powell, Karen L. (Grovestine). Descendants of Garret & Deborah Grovestine of Shelburne, Nova Scotia : including those with the surnames: Thomson, Purney, McKay, Hardy, Buchanan, Atwood, Cole, Collupy, Swansburg, Jordan, Frude, Nickerson and Hupman /

CS 90 H46 1998 Berry, June. Hemeon families : loyalists to Nova Scotia from New Jersey /


I need a very large sheet of paper for notes on these McKay families. Looking at some of the names in Stephen's line, I am more comfortable with the Thurso origins. I still wonder if they were all in Thurso and how William fits in. We've (as in Walker cousins) always thought that William had a brother in Shelburne. I see Currie/Curry is carried in Stephen's family as well. William and Sgt. Donald may have been brothers...who knows?

Inez

Inez

Inez Reed
26-09-2008, 12:25 AM
Stephen - Some time when you aren't busy could you rattle off Ed/Edna's siblings, please?

My Aunt recently asked me again about the lumber camp in Barnjum, Maine. I ran a search on Barnjum camp/Oxford Paper Company and ran across the name Frank John Dixie Barnjum.

Frank was born in Chelsea, Masschusetts around 1851 (don't have my notes). Frank Barnjum's father resided in East Boston in 1880. Wish I had a directory for that time period!

Maybe my grandfather Walker was eating his Swansburg relatives out of house and home in the early decades of the last century...interesting.

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
26-09-2008, 3:14 AM
Inez,
I said there were 13 children. There are actually 15 children. Two passed in child birth.
Deborah “Dora” Gordon
Frank Locke
Dwight Kidder went by Dyke (I remember Dyke. He built scaled-down ships in the attic at Edna’s home in East Boston)
Charles H.
John Geddes
Catherine E.
Lauchlan McKay (I remember Uncle Lockie well and attended his funeral)
Francine
Thomas Edward (Ed is my grandfather. We were very close)
Edna Janette (Edna is Ed’s twin. She maintained the family home in East Boston)
Catherine Ann went by Ann (I remember Ann. She lived in Norfolk Va.)
James Marshall
Eleanor Amilia Mildred
Eva
Helen Louise

/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
26-09-2008, 7:05 AM
Stephen, were Lauchlan (as in father of the aforementioned William) and Peter McPherson McKay brothers?

Best wishes,
Cuz Encore

Inez Reed
26-09-2008, 7:14 AM
Dear Stephen - I believe that this thing has dropped a post. I went through the 1906 to locate a likely candidate for the Mary E. McKay who married my g-uncle Charles Walker.

I found a Mary McKay daughter of William and Isabella McKay.

William McKay b. 1854 in 1881, was living in the home of his widowed mother Mary Anne McKay age 60 (b. 1831). In the household were Winslow age 24, John 22 and Lauchlan 19.

From previous diggings, I have a match on Winslow to Lauchlan and Mary Anne Holden McKay (m 1852 in Shelburne).

Do you think that Lauchlan and Peter McPherson McKay were brothers?

Great Aunt Mary McKay Walker had a younger sister named Eva for what it is worth.

oh now it really is past my bed time...

Nighty-night.

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
27-09-2008, 1:52 PM
Let's start at the top of your "Dropped Post" post. If not mistaken one of these children of the original Highland and Hessian soldiers and, Loyalist families was Mary Elizabeth McKay. Mary E. Mckay married a much older Conrad Ryer a Hessian Soldier and, the best friend of Christian Schweinsberger, aka Swansburg. Several of their children and grandchildren and, the children and grandchildren of SGT Donald McKay married one another.

What are the dates for your Mary E. McKay who married your g-uncle Charles Walker?

/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
27-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Let's start at the top of your "Dropped Post" post. If not mistaken one of these children of the original Highland and Hessian soldiers and, Loyalist families was Mary Elizabeth McKay. Mary E. Mckay married a much older Conrad Ryer a Hessian Soldier and, the best friend of Christian Schweinsberger, aka Swansburg. Several of their children and grandchildren and, the children and grandchildren of SGT Donald McKay married one another.

What are the dates for your Mary E. McKay who married your g-uncle Charles Walker?

/R

Stephen

First of all, Stephen, mea culpa, I should have read more closely when you said some posts ago that you knew of my Walker family. Given our comparative ages, it is highly likely that you ran into various Walkers in the 1950s and 1960s. We were in Misawa, Japan until 1955. Most of my mother and father's siblings had moved out of Maine. They were pretty well scattered up and down the Eastern seaboard of the US. My grandmother Walker lived with us until just before her death in 1964. Consequently, I have a somewhat firmer grasp on the family dates from her side (Quimby) of the family.

With that said, going through the census records, great uncle Charlie was born in February of 1880. There's some difference in his age (give or take four years) between the 1881 1911 census. I had figured that his wife was either his age or about four years younger. The only single Mary McKay I was able to locate was born in October of 1887. She is found in the household of William (b. 1854) and Isabella (b. 1856). They had a large family including:


Lauchlan b. 1885
Elvin b. 1890
Grace b. 1892
Cora b. 1897


Of course, this is just a shot in the dark so I would guess that Mary was born by 1887. All I know for certain is that Charles was living in his father's household in 1911.

The only other random thought I had on the age discrepancy between the 1881 and 1911 census is that the Charles recorded in the 1881 census died in infancy. My grandfather Walker had mentioned that several of his family members had died in an epidemic (don't know anything about this other than it's an interesting story). The name Charles could be the name of a later son if this is true.

That's the only flash of insight I had on this subject.

Any guesses on your end?

Best wishes,

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
23-10-2008, 11:59 AM
Inez,
Several years ago (While stationed in Korea) I corresponded with Malcolm Hupman.
His web site has grown. We determined we were related through the Grovestine, Hines, and Hemeon lines. His MacKay family does not appear to be our McKay family. Tough there could be a connection further back in pre-revolutionary times. Malcolm and I spent time talking with John H. Merz and his research concerning Hessian soldiers. John has passed away now.

I've somehow managed to misplace the Walker/Swansburg information from Maine. I'm still looking through boxes of papers stored after several military moves. Searching the web has not retrieved the original web site where I originally located the information on Walker/Swansburg.

/R

Stephen

tpbiii
24-10-2008, 2:14 AM
We have found a bit more information on how David McKay got his (our) house and lands. He bought them from Jane (Johnston) Sutherland in 1818 for 25 pounds. Jane could not write -- her mark "X" is on the in the land register. Jane was the wife of a William Sutherland. They were married in 1800 in Shelburne NS. William was a privateer, sailing out from Shelbure on the brig "Nelson" several times from 1799 to 1801. I wounder who they were sailing against -- the French? The Americans trading with France or Spain? He seems to have died in 1808.

My grandfather always talked of pirate gold. Maybe he was closer than he realized. Maybe the house was bought with some such gold.

We are going back to Jordan Falls for a few days in early November (burr..). We are finally are going to get the see the stuff Francis Walker has. That is assuming the sky does not fall again.


Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
24-10-2008, 3:45 AM
The archives of Nova Scotia has made a great deal of material associated with privateering. Here is the URL for the material associated with The Nelson. I haven't gone through it yet. I have a notoriously SLOW machine but am willing to wait to see this material.

I have also heard about various vessels and privateers over the years.

As far as the original URL for the Walker/Swansburg connection. I've been looking for one myself, Stephen. I know I sent our cousin Michelle (Mimi) Bagley the McKay material I'd pieced together including the parents of my earliest McKays in Shelburne. I'm going to have to find my Aunt Jackie's latest mass mailing for Mimi's email address.

Aunt Jackie, by the ways, if having a not so surprised party on Nov 15 in Brunswick, Maine. She and Uncle Jerry are going to share a cake for their 70th birthdays.

Regards,
Inez

Oh, before I forget, Stephen, Port Roseway was the original place name of Shelburne.

Inez Reed
24-10-2008, 3:57 AM
Cousins - Google "brig Nelson ns" and click on the second link. It is a list of the captain and crew of the Nelson. It sounded so familiar because Christian Swinsburg was aboard the Nelson when she was captured. He is listed in that document as the armourer. His son, Garrett, was listed as "boy". Christian later died in Barbados.

There were also two Sutherlands, William and Charles.

Have a stroll through it, very interesting.

Stephen M. Kohler
24-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Inez, It was a Bagley Family of Maine web site I first saw the connection between the Walkers, Schweinsbergers and, Mckay families. Ask Michelle (Mimi) Bagley if the site is still up!

Tom, Some of the men from Shelburne were privateers (Pirates for the crown). I've heard the stories about Pirates and gold on the coast of Maine too. I think at one point they ran arms and ammunition for the Confederate States and later it was rum.

/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
24-10-2008, 10:24 PM
Hi Stephen - I think that site is down. I emailed our Aunt Jackie to get Mimi's current email address but haven't received a reply yet. I did a search recently for McKays of Durness and found a link but it wasn't operative.

Later,

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
25-10-2008, 2:49 PM
Inez,
Karen Grovestine Powell believes that Christian died on a sugar plantation in Trinidad. How did you come on the information about Barbados? Just asking! What year was the brig Nelson, NS captured? I would like to figure out how old Christian was when captured and what ever became of Garrett.

/R

Stephen

Stephen M. Kohler
25-10-2008, 3:00 PM
Inez, At the top of the page you reference about the brig Nelson, NS is a search box. Type in "McKay" and click on "GO". Twenty Nine (29) results appear - some in French. Amazing reading!

/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
26-10-2008, 3:29 AM
Stephen, you are correct. Christian died in Trinidad in 1827. Were Garrett and Garrett Oakes Swansburg the same person? I don't think so as Garrett O. would have been around 21 or so at the time that crew manifest was drawn up, hardly a "boy". Maybe Garrett was a grandson?

I believe that there were five (?) recorded forays for the Brig Nelson.

I'll have to look more closely at that URL :o

Inez

Inez Reed
26-10-2008, 4:03 AM
Stephen - An alternate hypothesis is that Christian went to Trinidad on his own volition. It would have moved into British hands by about the time the Brig Nelson was roaming the waters. I haven't got any idea on how or who you'd contact in Trinidad Tobago to research land grants of the period. Any bright ideas?

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
26-10-2008, 3:02 PM
Cuz Inez, British manhood – Sociologically speaking, in the Eighteenth Century and Nineteenth Century a man was independent, showed self control and, was responsible (the ability to care and provide for himself and others). A boy was dependent, lacked self control and, did not have the means to care for himself and for others. However, in terms of the Sea or terms of the Mariner, “Boy” is a designation of "Station" aboard the ship. It primarily defines your place of duty aboard the vessel and your level of skills. In the Nineteenth Century a twenty-one-year-old male without previous training for duty at sea would still have been a “Boy Seaman” and would have carried out the duties and responsibilities of a "Boy Seaman" The order of stations are as follows; Boy Seaman, Boy 1st Class, Boy 2nd Class, Boy 3rd Class, Cadet, Midshipman, Sub-Lieutenant.

/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
27-10-2008, 10:44 PM
Stephen M. Kohler "In the Nineteenth Century a twenty-one-year-old male without previous training for duty at sea would still have been a “Boy Seaman” and would have carried out the duties and responsibilities of a "Boy Seaman" The order of stations are as follows; Boy Seaman, Boy 1st Class, Boy 2nd Class, Boy 3rd Class, Cadet, Midshipman, Sub-Lieutenant."



Hi Stephen - Not that I doubt what you're saying in respect to ranks but I was wondering if there was a different ranking system used in the late 18th early 19th century. I've been wading through the 1850 census for Hancock county Maine. I'm ty9ng up some loose ends with the Reed, Robbins and Dow families. Quite a few of this men were simply listed as "mariner" but within the same census, the recorder uses "seaman". I wonder to what part this is because the folks being recorded were working upon "commercial" vessels that the stations were not defined. It could simply not have mattered to the recorded.

The Brig Nelson's crew manifest would probably have followed a more military hierarchy? It's interesting that "boy" isn't really ranked. I've seen master mariners that were only a few years older than Garrett. It must have been a different nomenclature.

Cuz Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
28-10-2008, 10:31 PM
Cuz Inez, I don’t know but it’s certainly an interesting mystery. Garrett Oakes Swansburg is the oldest son of Christian and Catherine Swansburg. Everything I’ve seen indicates he was born circa 1779 or 1780. So, he would have been roughly twenty-one or twenty-two years old at the time the document "Brig Nelson, 4th Cruize" was written. And yet Garrett’s station is clearly recorded as “Boy”. The term station is used on the document to indicate rank and, “Boy” also appears several times throughout the document. I also see the terms Seaman, Armorer, Doctor, Master and, Big Boy. The use of “Big Boy” bewilders the issue. As Garrett is not in my line so I don’t have very much in the way of information on him. I am in the John Conrad Swansburg line. There likely were no Swansburg grandchildren at this time.
Another interesting fact about this document – there are no McKay men onboard. I see Garrett, Heameon and, Swansburg men and, I think a McPherson. But, I do not see any McKay men. The reference to a man named Garrett is interesting. Would he have been a Highland, British or Hessian soldier or, a New York Loyalist? Is he somehow part of the Swansburg or Harple families and, was naming Garrett in tribute to him?
Other Mariner terms used at the time were Landsman to indicate an unskilled seaman and Ordinary Seaman and, Able Seaman to indicate skilled seaman.
Our Scots and Hessians… …Arhhh! Oh, I’m not letting go of the thought that our Hessians were actually a mix of Swedes and Scots who remained behind at Schweinsberg Kastle at the end of the Thirty Year War. German and Scottish history recount this very well. Just south of where Christian was born in Neukirchain, Hesse is a Schottenkirche one of ten Benedictine abbeys found in the area surrounding Mainz.
Anyway, I’m going to have to research this more and get back to you.

/R

Cuz Stephen

Inez Reed
28-10-2008, 11:24 PM
Hi Cuz Stephen - My part of the puzzle, William McKay was likely still in Scotland by the time that The Nelson left port. Truthfully, I have no idea how William made his living or just how big his family was, for that matter.

I cannot think of a Garrett in George and Margaret McKay Swansburg's line.

I'll have to go back to The Book of MacKay and have a look at the section on the Swedish McKays. Was Swansburg (Ger. var.) a surname that appeared at about the time of the end of the Thirty Years War?

Digging away,

Inez

Inez Reed
28-10-2008, 11:55 PM
Cuz Stephen - A brief tour of the search function of The Book of MacKay by Angus MacKay with queries for "Germany" and later "Port Roseway" yielded some taunting bits of information.

Germany - Donald MacKay, 1st Lord Reay, did take troops to Germany in the 1630s. Angus MacKay does note that some Swedes took on the surname "von Key". Given the tradition of mustering out troops where the stood at the close of hostilities, there could feasibly be some connection.

Secondly, I've queried Port Roseway and was referred to IV. The Stathy McKays on page 314

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2FFH3&CISOPTR=48499&REC=0&CISOBOX=port+roseway

Have a look at his yourself and see what you think ye sons of Donald McKay born about 1765...

Best wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
25-11-2008, 6:28 PM
If anyone would care to conduct a search for the Elisabeth and Ann, they will find a passenger list containing many McKay families. I haven't sorted through them. I don't know if any of the Williams, Donalds, Hughs or Murdock are related to our lot but it's very interesting reading.

Cheers,

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
26-11-2008, 11:44 AM
Cuz Inez,
Do you have the lists or a link to the lists?

/R

Cuz Stephen

Inez Reed
26-11-2008, 10:05 PM
I don't believe that this is in direct competition with our hosts:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/8429/elisann.html?200826

I found another link for a vessel that had sailed earlier called the Rambler but no McKay families on board.

The weather is really appalling here today so I am chipping away at Peter Walker and Emma Sutton's information. He was born in Germany in 1742 or 1743. He came to Rhinebeck, NY by 1773. He was a loyalist (NY regulars) and made the tour at SC in 1781 and finally mustering out in 1783. Oh, those pesky Germans (may have been Dutch). I haven't found anything for him using variant spellings of Welker or Weger...for some reason Jim Eakins says it may have been Weger...we'll see.

Hope that Cuz Tom had a good trip home to Shelburne. Mighty cold for travel.

Best wishes,

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
30-11-2008, 12:34 AM
Inez,
Thank you!

I lived and worked in Mainz-Gonsenheim, Germany for three years and had my mind and ear bended daily listening to and sorting out pronunciations of the German language. My bet Walker is either Faulker or Voelker or something close. The scribes were likely British and/or American and the pronunciation of the German tongue was foreign to their ears.

Swin… …I’d love to hear the Scots pronounce that name.

/R

Stephen

Inez Reed
10-01-2009, 8:02 PM
Stephen - Is Hugh R. McKay b 1818 in your line? I've been looking through the Massachusetts Census and found a Shelburne family in Melrose. Hugh R. and Margaret both born in Shelburne in 1818. Does it intersect with your McKay and Swansburgs?

Inez

Stephen M. Kohler
16-01-2009, 1:04 PM
Cuz Inez, The Shelburne NS family in Melrose... I was born in Melrose. My Grandfather Thomas Edward (Ed) Swansburg had a house on Mt. Vernon Street and later on 1st Street. He was a Veteran of Foreign Wars (First Expeditionary Force, France, WWI) and, retired with thirty-three years of service to the Melrose Fire Department. His parents Thomas Doane (Jones) Swansburg and Margaret Janet (Jane) McKay were born in Shelburne (East side of the Jordan). Jane is a 1st cousin of Donald McKay the shipbuilder. Doane was a Ship's Joiner and worked for Donald. Hugh R. McKay is listed in "Plymouth Memories of an Octogenarian" By William Thomas Davis, as in the enterprise of building ships with Donald.

Inez Reed
20-04-2009, 9:08 PM
Stephen - Do the names Charles and Frances E. Walker ring any bells with you? Mind you, we are talking family stories, given our ages. Charles was born in NS in 1840 and was in Hudson, Mass. by 1880. He married a Massachusetts born woman, Frances E. (surname?). They had at least three children: Albert H., Charles C. and Frank Edwin Walker.

In 1924, Charles was living at 46 Beach Street in Boston.

As you can see, still working with odds and ends. Hope you have been well.

Inez

Inez Reed
20-04-2009, 11:57 PM
Hi Stephen and Tom - William Curry McKay was the son of Donald and Barbara Morrison McKay. He was born in Durness in 1777 and married Catherine Morrison in Thurso in 1803. She was the daughter of William Morrison and Margaret Ross.

Stephen, I have a URL for you:

http://
familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/l/a/Jennie-Blades-NS/GENE3-0001.html

There's an interesting tidbit on William's brothers who were lost at sea in 1859. I assume that "Thistle" refers to a vessel.

Anywho, that's my exciting, I used to know this, haven't lost my mind, now where did I see this news.

Inez

olive maxwell
21-04-2009, 11:06 PM
i am looking for margaret mckay her husband was daniel mckay
they got married 1901 glasgow i think daniel was older than margaret
so my have been married before yours olive|help|

Inez Reed
20-05-2009, 7:54 PM
Dear Cousins - I recently read that Sgt. Donald McKay was the father of as many as 18 children. He married his last wife, Sarah Ketland, in NS. Does anyone have the full list of wives and children attributed to this man.

2) Reading through a snippet on the apprenticeship of "the" Donald McKay, I read that after his apprenticeship in the States, he built a barkentine on Jordan with "his uncle, Robert". Any ideas about this Robert?

3) Here's an excerpt of a recent bit of correspondence regarding William and Catherine Morrison McKay's son, Robert:

"A second listing for a Robert George MCKAY, residence Jordan River, Shelburne Co., NS, mariner, who was #1 owner with 21 shares in the vessel "River Jordan". It's reg. no. was H832092, constructed in Jordan River in 1832, with 1 deck, 2 masts, was a "Schooner", 61 ft. long, 19 ft. wide, 10 ft deep, with a gross tonnage of 90. It was registered in 1832, was "registered de novo" in Halifax in 1833 (meaning registered to someone else, usually). The other 2 owners of this vessel were: Donald MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne, 21 shares; Lachlan MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne, 22 shares."

Would anyone have any guesses about the Donald McKay, mariner and Lachlan McKay, mariner referenced in this paragraph?

Best wishes & come out to play soon,

Inez

tpbiii
21-05-2009, 4:12 AM
Dear Cousins - I recently read that Sgt. Donald McKay was the father of as many as 18 children. He married his last wife, Sarah Ketland, in NS. Does anyone have the full list of wives and children attributed to this man.

2) Reading through a snippet on the apprenticeship of "the" Donald McKay, I read that after his apprenticeship in the States, he built a barkentine on Jordan with "his uncle, Robert". Any ideas about this Robert?

3) Here's an excerpt of a recent bit of correspondence regarding William and Catherine Morrison McKay's son, Robert:

"A second listing for a Robert George MCKAY, residence Jordan River, Shelburne Co., NS, mariner, who was #1 owner with 21 shares in the vessel "River Jordan". It's reg. no. was H832092, constructed in Jordan River in 1832, with 1 deck, 2 masts, was a "Schooner", 61 ft. long, 19 ft. wide, 10 ft deep, with a gross tonnage of 90. It was registered in 1832, was "registered de novo" in Halifax in 1833 (meaning registered to someone else, usually). The other 2 owners of this vessel were: Donald MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne, 21 shares; Lachlan MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne, 22 shares."

Would anyone have any guesses about the Donald McKay, mariner and Lachlan McKay, mariner referenced in this paragraph?

Best wishes & come out to play soon,

Inez

The Donald with the ship was indeed the famous Donald -- Lachlan was his uncle. The famous Donald is the grandson of Sgt. -- the son of Hugh McKay and Ann McPherson. They took the ship to Halifax, and they were "cheated" out of it. Broke, Donald left for Boston -- and the rest is history.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
21-05-2009, 7:45 PM
Hi Tom - Great to see you in print again. So was Robert George McKay the uncle that was alluded to in the text? If so, he eventually went broke and had to sell the house that was given to him by his father Sgt. Donald McKay.

The message I pulled the paragraph about the River Jordan also contained some information on men who I think may have been William McKay's sons James and Angus. I had hoped to find out some information on "Capt. Robert McKay" who perished on the Thistle (?) as well. Here is the meat of the message:

"BUT, a search of the surname variation MCKAY, Angus found this! In the Owners database: MCKAY, Angus, residence Shelburne, occupation Mariner, owner #1, shares-28, was owner the builder? unknown. The vessel was the "Glasgow", reg. no. H852024, constructed in Shelburne in 1851, had 1 deck, 2 masts, was a "Schooner", 64 ft. long, 17 ft. wide, 9 ft deep, with a gross tonnage of 69. It was registered in 1852, was wrecked in 1853. The other 2 owners of this vessel were James MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne; and John Henry WEST, mariner, Shelburne.

More search for that surname variation produced a Robert MCKAY, residence Shelburne, occupation shipbuilder, owner #5 with 8 shares in the vessel "Rival". The reg. no. was H855083, official no. 035893, constructed in Shelburne in 1855, with 1 deck, 2 masts, was a "Schooner", was 73 ft. long, 20 ft. wide, and 9 ft. deep. It had a gross tonnage of 74, and a net tonnage of 64. It was registered in 1855, was "transferred to a new port" in 1856 in Liverpool, Queen's Co., NS. Besides Robert MCKAY, the other owners of this vessel were: James Two MUIR, shipbuilder, Shelburne; Robert WOODILL, shipbuilder, Shelburne; Thomas JOHNSON, shipbuilder, Shelburne; James MUIR, shipbuilder, Shelburne...(perhaps the "TWO" in the first name denotes a "junior"???); John H. WEST; tradesman,non-marine; Liverpool; and James MCGILL, tradesman, non-marine, Shelburne.

A second listing for a Robert George MCKAY, residence Jordan River, Shelburne Co., NS, mariner, who was #1 owner with 21 shares in the vessel "River Jordan". It's reg. no. was H832092, constructed in Jordan River in 1832, with 1 deck, 2 masts, was a "Schooner", 61 ft. long, 19 ft. wide, 10 ft deep, with a gross tonnage of 90. It was registered in 1832, was "registered de novo" in Halifax in 1833 (meaning registered to someone else, usually). The other 2 owners of this vessel were: Donald MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne, 21 shares; Lachlan MCKAY, mariner, Shelburne, 22 shares.

The vessel "River Jordan" was transferred to new owners in 1833. Those owners were: Temple F. PIERS, merchant, Halifax; Lewis E. PIERS, merchant, Halifax; William Bevil PIERS, merchant, Halifax; AND, again, Donald MCKAY, Mariner, Jordan River. It foundered at sea in 1838."

Hope this note is of some interest to you. I recently heard from my remaining Auntie and sent her the URL for Jennie Blades' web piece on the descendants of Donald McKay and Barbara Morrison. I'm still somewhat puzzled by how these folks may have been related but it's been an interesting ride.

Best Wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
21-05-2009, 7:54 PM
Before riding off into the sunset, let me add that the James McGill mentioned in this text may have been one of the MacGills that married into my McKay bunch. The illusive brother Robert turned up in Jennie Blades' (still checking that work) researches married and had children who married into the McGill family. One of his daughters married into Hugh McKay's family.

One of these days, I'll make it to Shelburne Archives and see what can be found. I only recently learned that Catherine Morrison McKay was born in Glasgow (per death certificate). I imagine that there may be more contained in William's will/probate record in 1829 and perhaps something in his brother Robert's estate papers.

Take care...off to the garden...tomato sandwiches to come!

Inez

pcorbett
25-08-2009, 2:23 AM
I guess I can post now! And I guess I'm another cousin! I was excited to see this thread, because I've been wanting to know more about my family on my maternal grandmother's side, and could only go back to Nova Scotia, although I do have information back to 1726 (Dr. Jonathan Locke b. and lived in Martha's Vineyard, apparently) and 1771 (Abraham Crocheron b.)

I was born in Massachusetts (Natick/Dover/Westwood); I have pictures of my great grandmother, Irene McPherson Locke b.1859 d 1918 (married Jacob Locke Smith b.1840 d 1923) living in Chelsea, I believe, or possibly Everett. I'll dig it out and scan it.

We have a maternal legacy of the first name Irene -- from my g.grandmother to my grandmother, to my mother, to me, to my daughter, stemming from my gg grandmother honoring her sister, who died young at sea, and without progeny.

I'd REALLY like to know this first Irene's story -- she would be the sister of Elizabeth McKay (b.1825 d 1894) and one of the daughters of David McKay (b.1793 d 1877) and Janet McPherson (b.1799), but I don't know the name of the seafaring man this Irene married. I also have a simple desk that came from Scotland likely that I understand was used in a ship's cabin and was passed on through the family. I have given it to my daughter-in-law. This is not an expensive antique, handmade and well used, and painted many times over the years, but it has quite nostalgic value.

Also, I don't know much about the origins in Scotland -- I read through all the threads last night, and would love more information.

The paternal side of my grandmother's family is Jacob Locke Smith's parents: David George Smith (m.1836 to Catherine Elizabeth Locke b.1822), and her ancestors include Locke, Perry, Barry, Crocheron, Guyon and another McKay (Elizabeth McKay m to John Crocheron b. 1798.

So, I know you all have a LOT more information! I was surprised to hear about the LDS connection, for example.

It was interesting to read about the Mac vs Mc, since in older papers there was a lot of MacKay and MacPherson indicated, but my grandmother was insistent on one or the other -- I'll have to go back and see, but I thought it was the Mc version. That was her name in any case. She lived and went to normal school in Nova Scotia, and moved south to the United States either when she married (a completely different Smith come over from England to the U.S., not a Scot to Canada).

I'm just beginning this side of the family -- I did a good deal more with the Corbett side before I went over to visit Ireland (and found a new cousin!) 10 years ago. Now it's time to visit Scotland, where I've never been.

Best,
Penny Corbett

Inez Reed
26-08-2009, 1:43 AM
Hi Penny - I have the first Irene as "Charlotte" Irene which may be part of the why any reference to who she married is elluding you. Maybe Cousin Stephen has more details for her!

Best wishes,

Inez

pcorbett
26-08-2009, 8:31 AM
Thanks Inez! Do you have the birth/death dates of her and her other siblings?
Penny

tpbiii
26-08-2009, 4:40 PM
Hi Penny,


I'd REALLY like to know this first Irene's story -- she would be the sister of Elizabeth McKay (b.1825 d 1894) and one of the daughters of David McKay (b.1793 d 1877) and Janet McPherson (b.1799), but I don't know the name of the seafaring man this Irene married. I also have a simple desk that came from Scotland likely that I understand was used in a ship's cabin and was passed on through the family. I have given it to my daughter-in-law. This is not an expensive antique, handmade and well used, and painted many times over the years, but it has quite nostalgic value.

I am writing this from the upstairs bedroom of the house in which Irene was born on May 1, 1843. She married Thomas William Bingay on Jan 12 1871. Her name is Charlotte Irene. She died on 17 May, 1897.

If you go back some in this thread, you can see pictures of this house. I would love to see the picture you have -- we have a lot of pictures in the house we cannot identify.


I was born in Massachusetts (Natick/Dover/Westwood); I have pictures of my great grandmother, Irene McPherson Locke b.1859 d 1918 (married Jacob Locke Smith b.1840 d 1923) living in Chelsea, I believe, or possibly Everett. I'll dig it out and scan it.

Sounds like I am your third or forth cousin. I used to visit mt cousin Natalie in Natick while I was in school at MIT in the 1960s.

My gg grandfather, William Ernest McKay (not MacKay -- this was important to my grandfather) named one of his daughter Charlotte (b. 1870) -- she was my "Aunt Lotte."

There is a document called "Descendants of David McKay and Janet McPherson," published by the Shelburne County Genealogical Society. We have visitors from Boston (Littleton) here right now. If you like, I can buy you a copy and send it to back with them for you. Let me know.


It was interesting to read about the Mac vs Mc, since in older papers there was a lot of MacKay and MacPherson indicated, but my grandmother was insistent on one or the other -- I'll have to go back and see, but I thought it was the Mc version. That was her name in any case.

The "Mac" was in the view of my grandfather different from the "Mc" David was an "Mc." The two families were closely related not through the Mc/Mac side, but through the McPhersons. Huge MacKay, father of the famous Donald MacKay married Ann McPherson, sister to Janet, wife of David McKay. Thus my gg grandfather William McKay was first cousin to the famous Donald McKay because their mothers were sisters -- not because they were both McKays.

Best,

-Tom Barnwell
Son of Mary Ellen McKay
Daughter of Leslie B. McKay
Son of William (ERNEST) McKay Jr.
Son of WILLIAM Ernest McKay
Son of David McKay and Janet McPherson

Inez Reed
26-08-2009, 9:58 PM
The Locke family also married into the Swansburg family so you'll have another apron string "cousin" Stephen as his ancestor, William G. Swansburg, married Catherine Locke. Catherine's parents were Ebenezer and Elizabeth Bowl Locke.

Cheers,

Inez

pcorbett
27-08-2009, 2:22 AM
Hi Penny,



I am writing this from the upstairs bedroom of the house in which Irene was born on May 1, 1843. She married Thomas William Bingay on Jan 12 1871. Her name is Charlotte Irene. She died on 17 May, 1897.

This is so exiting! I heard she died at sea -- do you have any information about that? Although If she was 54 when she died, maybe that is incorrect information.

If you go back some in this thread, you can see pictures of this house. I would love to see the picture you have -- we have a lot of pictures in the house we cannot identify.

I did see your picture -- wonderful! I'll try to scan and upload -- your pictures didn't look familiar, but perhaps I'm not good at recognizing similarities.


Sounds like I am your third or forth cousin. I used to visit mt cousin Natalie in Natick while I was in school at MIT in the 1960s.

My gg grandfather, William Ernest McKay (not MacKay -- this was important to my grandfather) named one of his daughter Charlotte (b. 1870) -- she was my "Aunt Lotte."

There is a document called "Descendants of David McKay and Janet McPherson," published by the Shelburne County Genealogical Society. We have visitors from Boston (Littleton) here right now. If you like, I can buy you a copy and send it to back with them for you. Let me know.

I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan, now -- thank you for your kind offer. I'd love to see the document, perhaps I could write directly and send a cheque in canadian funds to pay for it, and they could mail it to me.



The "Mac" was in the view of my grandfather different from the "Mc" David was an "Mc." The two families were closely related not through the Mc/Mac side, but through the McPhersons. Huge MacKay, father of the famous Donald MacKay married Ann McPherson, sister to Janet, wife of David McKay. Thus my gg grandfather William McKay was first cousin to the famous Donald McKay because their mothers were sisters -- not because they were both McKays.

That was what my mother seemed to think (she's still alive at age 94, but she was never sure of the actual Donald MacKay connection. Although I come from a line on my Irish side of numerous sea-going men, cabin boys who became captains who became lighthouse keeper. I have some extraordinary drawings of ships my great great uncle David Grogan sailed (or simply liked).

Best,

-Tom Barnwell
Son of Mary Ellen McKay
Daughter of Leslie B. McKay
Son of William (ERNEST) McKay Jr.
Son of WILLIAM Ernest McKay
Son of David McKay and Janet McPherson

Most pleased to make your acquaintance and to hear of our connections!

Penny (actually Linda Irene Corbett, but the nickname from birth stuck).

pcorbett
27-08-2009, 2:52 AM
http://picasaweb.google.com/pcwildheart/Ancestors?authkey=Gv1sRgCNXCxY7C5-iOKg#5374441471755992162

I guess not, I'll have to learn how to post photographs.

pcorbett
27-08-2009, 3:02 AM
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/member.php?u=39339

maybe this works.

Well, I guess not -- but I created an album with 8 pictures that are labeled, if you know how to find it. It includes my g-grandmother's house in Lockeport, NS

If you go to my public profile, you can click on the album, I guess. I also uploaded a picture of a relative whose name I don't know.

Stephen M. Kohler
06-09-2009, 2:22 PM
Hello Penny, and Cuz'ns Inez, Tom and others! Glad to finally meet. One summer back around 1965/1966 the family had an enourmous reunion in Maine (I believe). There were so many families that they used a pasture to park all the automobiles (Pahk tha cahhhhhs). My Grandmother Helen's folks (Cliffords, Reeds, Prides, Masons, Rogers, Lombards, Lyfords, Locke's, Higginbothams, and Freemans etc.) and my Grandfather Ed's folks (Swansburghs, McPhersons, McKays, Lockes, Haines/Hines, Grovestines, and Cooks, etc) were all there and perhaps fifty other names. There were hundreds and hundreds of relatives and, for the first time it was made known to me that my grandparents were back-related through many marriages and were distant cousins. I met the Smith connections there. Do you have any recollection of such an event?

Are there any variations on your name Grogan because I've a cousin Bruce Gaughan in St Louis. His father Sonny's parents passed suddenly and Helen and Ed Swansburgh raised Sonny from the time he was just a boy.

David McKay - I go way out on a branch here but, believe when Marion Robertson spoke of in her writing about McKay genealogies that Sergeant (SGT) Donald McKay and David McKay were very close, she was politely indicating David was Donald's illegitimate son. My GGreatgrandmother Jane (McKay) Swansburgh (born in Shelburn, lived in East Boston, died in Wenham) related that SGT Donald traveled back to Scotland, gathered family, and returned to Shelburne on several occassions.

Have any of you noticed these people we talk about here all the time have remained familiars to one another for generations and generations back across the Big Pond in Scotland, Sweden, England, France, and Germany? It's an amazing piece of information but this group of souls just seem to move from one country to another and from one life to another choosing to remain with one another.

Oh, go ahead and play the theme from the Twilight Zone now!

Love ya'll,

Cuz Stephen
P.S. Do you have any Christian laymen, professional ministers, and/or Freemasons and members of Eastern Star in your family lines? I see countless numbers of these folks on my Clifford side, and on my Swansburgh side.

Inez Reed
07-09-2009, 3:00 PM
Fire up the theme music from the twilight zone indeed, Stephen. I was just going to write to the Blue Lodge in Liverpool and see if I could find any of our kin as former Lodge members. My grandfather, Sutton Walker was a Master Mason. My late mother, myself and my daughter are OES.

The latest tidbit of genealogy I unearthed was from the Provincial Archives of Nova Scotia. They have some birth, marriage and death records on line now that you can view a copy of the original record. There was a death record of my Catherine Morrison McKay. Cousin Gerald had mentioned this record. It listed Glasgow as her place of birth. Parents were William Morrison and Agnes Ross. I've seen her mother listed as Margaret in other documents but maybe she was Agnes Margaret Ross...I digress.

I also periodically check FREEREG and came across a baptismal record for this Agnes/Margaret Ross. It contained the following information: Father's Occupation - Masson (do DO do Do...). The minister was the Reverend John Bissett who was the minister of the Mother Kirk, St. Nicholas in Aberdeen.

I've been looking at information of the Masons in Aberdeen and it is a very deep history. There was a lodge associated with St. Nicholas...so maybe the Masonic connection would be something of interest for all of us.

Best wishes,

Inez

PS - Stephen, the errant child is due to ship out to Korea for a year! Oh, bother.

Inez Reed
08-09-2009, 5:35 PM
Regarding my elusive McKays, yesterday, I came across an old post by Eileen Vasa regarding the marriage banns of William Morison and Margaret Ross. The banns were published in May of 1779. Witnesses included an Angus MacKay, Chelsea Pensioner and a William Morrison. The groom was listed as a former soldier in the Duke of Gordon's Northern Fencibles. His residence was recorded as Footdee (Port of Dee) which was a small fishing village near Aberdeen.

I found a reference in Stuart Reid's Eighteenth Century Highlanders that stated that a George MacKay of Bighouse Estates was a Captain in the Northern Fencibles. I've also found a couple of queries regarding the descendants of a Donald MacKay who was a shepherd on the Bighouse estates in association with the Ross family of Aberdeen. Close but no cigar, unfortunately.

If any of you are interested in the military of the period, Stuart Reid's book is available on line at www.archive.org. There is a muster list of the Reay Fencibles (quite imposing). Many William and Donald MacKays, of course.

Best wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
08-09-2009, 5:44 PM
Hi Tom - I know you're likely up to your neck in visitors (summer is fleeting), but wanted to ask if you'd had the opportunity to look through the William MacKay file at the historical/genealogical society? I would like to know if it would be worth purchasing a copy of the file. I'm beginning to have serious misgivings about our William's parent's names and wanted to know the source of the information.

Stephen, if you go to www.archive.org and type in Scottish Record Society, the Durness records are in Volume 26. There was an old rake named Donald MacKay, Chelsea Pensioner who would be my pick for David McKay's father. It you search Chelsea Pensioner, lusty Donald sired a bunch of children most with Margaret Miller but also "three or four others" between 1767 and 1810. It reads like Tom Jones or Moll Flanders |biggrin|

Later,

Inez

tpbiii
08-10-2009, 4:09 AM
Hi Tom - I know you're likely up to your neck in visitors (summer is fleeting), but wanted to ask if you'd had the opportunity to look through the William MacKay file at the historical/genealogical society? I would like to know if it would be worth purchasing a copy of the file. I'm beginning to have serious misgivings about our William's parent's names and wanted to know the source of the information.

Hi Irez,

Did I miss an assignment? I mean my gg grandfather is William (Ernest) McKay -- son of David and Janet (McPherson) McKay. That is not him is it? If not, give me a bit more information.

I left Canada in late August and I missed all these posts. I came back a couple of weeks ago for a final 3 week stay.


I am writing this from the upstairs bedroom of the house in which Irene was born on May 1, 1843. She married Thomas William Bingay on Jan 12 1871. Her name is Charlotte Irene. She died on 17 May, 1897.

This is so exiting! I heard she died at sea -- do you have any information about that? Although If she was 54 when she died, maybe that is incorrect information.

No, sorry. No other information.


I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan, now -- thank you for your kind offer. I'd love to see the document, perhaps I could write directly and send a cheque in canadian funds to pay for it, and they could mail it to me.

Here is their web page.

nsgna.ednet.ns.ca/shelburne/index.php

For those interested in the David McKay story, I have a few more pieces. I now have the entire post-Loyalist history of the home place, along with details of the Jane Sutherland story. Remember that David McKay bought the old home place from Jane Sutherland in 1818. Well, it turns out that Jane Sutherland had first been married to a George Johnstone, who died sometime before 1800. As a widow, she then married William Sutherland, the crewman from the privateer Nelson. William Sutherland also died in the early 1800s -- he possibly did not return from the Nelson's final privateering voyage. In any case, Jane got the land she sold to David McKay (where I am sitting in the kitchen right now) from her first husband, George Johnstone -- she bought out the other heirs in 1818 and immediately sold the land to David McKay. George Johnstone had had the land for 33 years -- he had bought it in 1785 from Frances McNutt (from the McNutt Island family).

I have also been researching the lot next door, which I also own -- my grandfather bought it in 1950. At the time David McKay bought the home place, that lot (75 acres) was owned by Ebernezer Martin. I'm trying to learn more about how all these guys all fit together -- apparently Ebernezer was was a player in the Jordan Falls shipbuilding business because he bought the Jordan Falls saw mill from Hugh and Ann McKay (famous Donald's parenats) in 1842.

Here is a link to the school records from Jordan Falls (branch) in 1831 -- obviously David McKay's and Hugh McKay's (and Ebernezer Martin's) families were living quite close together.

link (http://genweb.shelburne.net/Schools/1831_09.html)

The plot thickens -- stay tuned all you fans of historical trivia!

BTW, the house on the Ebernezer Martin place is long gone, but I still own his well.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
09-10-2009, 1:36 AM
Hi Tom - I saw on one of the webpages that the local society had a couple of folders for a Robert and a William McKay (abt 1777-1829). This is the William McKay who married Catherine Morrison just before leaving Thurso in 1803. I wanted to know if there was anything supported by documentation about my William in the folders. Of particular interest would be an primary documentation listing his parent's names.

Since posting that question to you, I received a copy of the original marriage record of William McKay (that's the spelling he used in Scotland) to Catherine Morrison. It does list his residence/place of origin as Keoldale. I also received a copy of Catherine's (Cathrin Morison)record of birth/christening. It listed her father William as a soldier in the Northern Fencibles. Witnesses were John Ross (her uncle or grandfather; and Walter Morison <no idea of relationship>).

Long and the short of it, I still know more about Catherine than William. I'm hoping to get my mitts on WO microfilms for the 76th Regt so I can hopefully get an idea about all of these folks' points of origins.

Hope you've got a nice period of good weather before you before you head south again. It's been soggy here all summer and it's winding up to rain hammer and tongs tonight!

Inez

Erin MacAlpine
23-01-2010, 3:24 PM
WOW, a lot information in this thread. I may be able to answer some questions for some of you or if you are looking for information on any of the Walker families from Jordan Falls, NS. My grandmother was Phyllis Walker, sister to Frances Walker Richardson. In previous posts there was mention of Jeanette and Al Mahaney. Jeanette was my grandmothers sister. Let me know if I can help in any way.

Inez Reed
24-01-2010, 2:54 PM
Hi Erin - Al and Jeanette Mahaney were my late mother's (Carrie "Del" Walker) first cousins. Victor and Viola Leslie Walker were her aunt and uncle. I've been trying to figure out what, if any relation, we are to any of the other McKay families that arrived in Shelburne in the early nineteenth century.

I've gotten back as far as our immigrant McKay ancestors, William and Catherine Morrison McKay. The documentation I have is pretty sketchy. The earliest document I have is a record of their marriage in Scotland.

My grandfather, Thomas Sutton Walker, had mentioned that William had a brother Robert. According to Jennie Blades, this Robert was married to Janet Murray. He was a good bit younger than our William. She said that their parents were Donald and Barbara Morrison McKay. I have yet to find any reference to this couple in Sutherland or Caithness Counties, Scotland.

I understand that cousin Frances Walker Richardson may have more insight on the early McKays. I would love to hear from you and I'm certain that Tom Barnwell and Stepehn Kohler (a cousin via our Swansburgs as well) would love to hear from you.

Currently, I'm waiting for War Office Microfilms for the 73rd to 100th regiments that would cover the earlier McKay men (Donald and Gilbert). These records supposedly include the soldier's age and place of birth. I was hoping that it would provide some clue as whether or not they were all related at some point in time.

Great to hear from you, cousin.

Inez

There's also a Gerald M. (think he's a Morrison) that's researching this line and yet another McKay family in Shelburne on Roots Chat (Durness).

tpbiii
25-01-2010, 12:20 AM
WOW, a lot information in this thread. I may be able to answer some questions for some of you or if you are looking for information on any of the Walker families from Jordan Falls, NS. My grandmother was Phyllis Walker, sister to Frances Walker Richardson. In previous posts there was mention of Jeanette and Al Mahaney. Jeanette was my grandmothers sister. Let me know if I can help in any way.

Hi Erin,

Good to hear from you. I spent many days at the home of you great grandparents, Vick and Viola, in the company of my grandparents, Leslie and Gertrude McKay. There I ate many meals and learned many card games.

I don't remember your grandmother too well - just as a name. This would have been in the late 40's and early 50's. My mother (Mary Ellen McKay Barnwell), who is 90 years old, remembers her as "one of the younger" children. I do remember Margret well -- she was I believe the youngest child and still at home. The others I knew well from those days were Nurney, Jeanette, and Kathrine Walter Acker. I also remember Fuller, but not too well. We used to visit Kathrine's home in Churchover, and I used to play with your second cousin, Valda.

Valda just contacted me last week -- for the first time in about 40 years. She had found me on the internet. We are going to get together next summer when we return.

We are still great friends with your great Aunt Frances -- she beats me at cribbage every year and we eat out together several times each year. She is a delight -- always has been.

So where do you live now? Are you anywhere around Shelburne. Maybe we could get together.

Best

-Tom (known, I suppose, by other members of your family Pinky)

Inez Reed
28-01-2010, 5:02 AM
Pinky??? Oh, dear...so how many games are the Americans down in cribbage ;-)???

Inez

Erin MacAlpine
07-02-2010, 5:18 PM
Inez: A cousin of mine wrote the history of Donald MacAlpine (Loyalist) and his decendants which lists a few McKay's and MacKay's which may be of interest to you.
Here is the link: http://genealogy.motsa.com/macalpine.html

Tom: Marjorie and Frances were the younger of the siblings. My grandmother Phyllis married Archie Ensor of Clyde River. I currently reside in Yarmouth and visit Frances about once a month.

P.S. I dislike cribbage. My grandmother tried to teach me to play and I just never got the hang of it. I'm about the only one in our family who doesn't play.

StephenMKohler
02-03-2010, 4:44 PM
Hello Cuz Inez, Cuz Tom! Hope all is well with you and yours. I saw the closed thread on Lachlan Macpherson and Elizabeth Urquhart. When I opened this thread I included Lachlan Macpherson and Elizabeth Urquhart because I find it nearly impossible to speak of the McKay Family without talking about the Mcpherson Family. Anyway, Lachlan Macpherson and Elizabeth Urquhart came from Shotts Parish in Lanarkshire County between Glasgow and Edinburgh, and less than 10 miles south of Bannockburn and Sterling (Where my Anglo-Norman Clifford ancestors died fighting my Scot ancestors). If it has not been done then perhaps we should open a thread for Lachlan Macpherson and Elizabeth Urquhart in the Lanarkshire County wide forum.

Have been off the net for several months while completing transition from Washington, DC to Tampa Bay. Will miss the treasures of the National Capital Region, Northern Virginia, and Baltimore, but the weather and lifestyle of Tampa Bay have had my heart and thoughts for years. Good to be back in Florida.

Stephen
Palm Harbor

Inez Reed
03-03-2010, 1:20 AM
Tampa Bay...you bum...we're enjoying the soggy dregs of the last system to make it's way through the area. Thinking of you as I zipped through the records of the 76th Regt a few weeks back. It turns out the WO record was for those who were wounded, ill or too shop worn to be of service to the Regt. I found reference to my elusive Walter McFarlane (of the 74th) and was able to track down a birth record for him in Rue, Luss Parish, Dunbartonshire (ye bonnie banks of Loch...). McKays...an absolute bomb, ditto the Morisons. The only McKay I found was a Robert who was born in Creich and died in the East Indies. Only family news I have is of this era, daughter made MSGT and is now in Camp Stanley, Korea, far more agreeable locale than when we last emailed, Stephen.

StephenMKohler
05-03-2010, 9:51 PM
Aye! I'm a Tampa Bay Bum, and proud of it! I don't mind the Cold and I don't mind the Wet. But, I do not like the Cold N' Wet.
Delighted to hear your daughter made MSGT. I enjoyed life and work in Korea. Stephen

Inez Reed
10-04-2010, 2:21 AM
Dear Cousins - Would any of you have any insights or thoughts about where in Scotland, Murdoch McKay may have been born (abt 1807)? He married a Maria Elizabeth Thomson in 1832.

On a "Stephen, you bum" note, it's spitting snow here. Good night for comfort food and genealogy.

Inez

Brad Hulton
13-07-2010, 5:05 AM
Dear Cousins - Would any of you have any insights or thoughts about where in Scotland, Murdoch McKay may have been born (abt 1807)? He married a Maria Elizabeth Thomson in 1832.

On a "Stephen, you bum" note, it's spitting snow here. Good night for comfort food and genealogy.

Inez

Hi Inez
Murdoch and Maria are my gggg grandparents. As far as I have been able to figure out Murdoch was born in Nova Scotia not Scotland. He states his place of birth in two separate census returns (1871 & 1881). The birth and marriage in Scotland appear to be a mistake on someone's part. It seems to stem from a reference made to "Donald son of Murdoch" in the will of an unrelated party. The problem with this is... first, there are no births of a "Murdoch" McKay or MacKay in Scotland in 1807 (birth registration became mandatory in 1800 in Scotland), there are however two births of the name one in 1810 and another in 1811 (there is also one in 1805 but he appears in census records in Scotland until 1881 or so) both of whom married "Barbara's". Second is the dates of birth for Donald and his sisters, Donald 1839, Georgina 1841 and Barbara 1845, but our Murdoch was married to Maria in 1832 and was having children by her in Nova Scotia at this time. That Donald and his sisters ended up in the Shelburne area seems to be coincidence. None of them are mentioned in Murdoch's will (I am awaiting verification of this) just his wife (Maria) and children by her (William, George and Catherine in particular) are named.
I just found an entry in the 1838 Census of Nova Scotia for a William McKay and family living in Sandy Point and employed as a fisherman. This is interesting as Murdoch was a fisherman (although from his estate we can tell he farmed as well) and he named a son "William" as well. This could be his father or brother but the record is incomplete (the census is missing sections and parts are damaged) and inconclusive as yet. A new source will have to be found, I will be looking in the Sandy Point area, to confirm Murdoch's parentage.
Hope this helps....
Brad

Brad Hulton
13-07-2010, 6:19 AM
[QUOTE=Stephen M. Kohler;16121]I am interested in the McKay family of Thurso, Caithness, Scotland. I am specifically seeking information on the parents and siblings of David McKay b. May 24 1793 in Thurso, Caithiness, Scotland. David immigrated to Canada and settled on the west side of the East Jordon River, Shelburne, Nova Scotia, Canada. David McKay married Janet McPherson, dau. of Lachlan and Elizabeth (Urquhart) McPherson, b., April 6, 1799 I East Jordan. N.S. I have much information on generations descending from this marriage that I am happy to share with other McKay researchers.

Hi Stephen
I am descended from David and Janet through their eldest daughter Margaret McPherson McKay and her husband William Kean Bruce of Shelburne. I have been looking for David's family in Scotland and recently found two records of baptisms, one for "David MacKay to William MacKay and Mary Munro June 3 1793 in Reay, Thurso, Caithness, Scotland" and the other for a "David McKay to John McKay and Giles McKay baptism on 25 July 1793 in Longforgan, Perthshire, Scotland". My money is on the first one. It fits the known facts the best (Reay is just a couple of kilometers from Thurso, David and Janet named a son "William" and not a John or Giles among the children and his baptism would have been just 9 days after the birth date we have for him). I would be interested in anything you have on David and Janet's family. Oh, and I found a record of Elizabeth Urquhart's birth.... " Robert Urquhart Journeyman Wright in Tolbooth Kirk Parish and Ann Craw his spouse a daughter named Elizabeth witnesses Pat Craw Messinger and Daniel Hairn Hairdresser in Ed. the child was born on 6th July" the document was dated July 1767 in Edinburgh.
Hope this is of help.
Brad

tpbiii
14-07-2010, 1:37 AM
Hi Brad,

"I am descended from David and Janet through their eldest daughter Margaret McPherson McKay and her husband William Kean Bruce of Shelburne."

My family is also from David and Janet, through Margaret's brother William Earnest McKay. If you read through the past posts, you will see we still have the house in Jordan Falls that David and Janet bought in 1818. David raised his family here, as did his son William (my gg grandfather). The house is still in the family -- seven generations.


" I have been looking for David's family in Scotland and recently found two records of baptisms, one for "David MacKay to William MacKay and Mary Munro June 3 1793 in Reay, Thurso, Caithness, Scotland" and the other for a "David McKay to John McKay and Giles McKay baptism on 25 July 1793 in Longforgan, Perthshire, Scotland". My money is on the first one. It fits the known facts the best (Reay is just a couple of kilometers from Thurso, David and Janet named a son "William" and not a John or Giles among the children and his baptism would have been just 9 days after the birth date we have for him)."

This is the first concrete leads I have ever seen from Scotland. I may have David's birth day (m/d) -- I will check.

"I would be interested in anything you have on David and Janet's family. Oh, and I found a record of Elizabeth Urquhart's birth.... " Robert Urquhart Journeyman Wright in Tolbooth Kirk Parish and Ann Craw his spouse a daughter named Elizabeth witnesses Pat Craw Messinger and Daniel Hairn Hairdresser in Ed. the child was born on 6th July" the document was dated July 1767 in Edinburgh."

More cool data.


I have quite a bit of stuff. You are welcome to it.

I am sitting in David and Janet's dinning room right now as I write this. I am retired, and my wife and I spend summers in Jordan Falls.

Best,

-Tom

tpbiii
14-07-2010, 2:16 AM
David McKay was born on May 24, 1793

Inez Reed
14-07-2010, 3:09 AM
Hi Inez
Murdoch and Maria are my gggg grandparents. As far as I have been able to figure out Murdoch was born in Nova Scotia not Scotland. He states his place of birth in two separate census returns (1871 & 1881). The birth and marriage in Scotland appear to be a mistake on someone's part. It seems to stem from a reference made to "Donald son of Murdoch" in the will of an unrelated party. The problem with this is... first, there are no births of a "Murdoch" McKay or MacKay in Scotland in 1807 (birth registration became mandatory in 1800 in Scotland), there are however two births of the name one in 1810 and another in 1811 (there is also one in 1805 but he appears in census records in Scotland until 1881 or so) both of whom married "Barbara's". Second is the dates of birth for Donald and his sisters, Donald 1839, Georgina 1841 and Barbara 1845, but our Murdoch was married to Maria in 1832 and was having children by her in Nova Scotia at this time. That Donald and his sisters ended up in the Shelburne area seems to be coincidence. None of them are mentioned in Murdoch's will (I am awaiting verification of this) just his wife (Maria) and children by her (William, George and Catherine in particular) are named.

I just found an entry in the 1838 Census of Nova Scotia for a William McKay and family living in Sandy Point and employed as a fisherman. This is interesting as Murdoch was a fisherman (although from his estate we can tell he farmed as well) and he named a son "William" as well. This could be his father or brother but the record is incomplete (the census is missing sections and parts are damaged) and inconclusive as yet. A new source will have to be found, I will be looking in the Sandy Point area, to confirm Murdoch's parentage.
Hope this helps....
Brad


Hi Brad - I read through your post with great interest. Since posting my query about Murdoch, I did a bit of sleuthing and discovered (no surprise to you) that there were no records for the birth of a Murdoch in Scotland in 1807. I'd seen a query in one of the surname forums and had hoped by the date of Murdoch's birth it could provide some clues to my McKays.

William and Catherine Morrison McKay did have a son named William who was born in (Hartz Point?) in 1808. He married a Catherine Harding. To the best of my knowledge, they had three children: John Alexander McKay, Margaret Jane McKay and Isaac James Crowell McKay. This William died in 1890 and his wife Catherine died in 1918.

As I mentioned in an early post, William McKay had a much younger brother named Robert (b. abt 1794). He married Janet Murray who was the daughter of a Hugh Murray and a Christina Calder or Donn and a granddaughter of the bard, Rob Donn. Robert and Janet settled in Kinloch, NS and had a large family. They had a son William McKay (1831-1917) who married Isabel Fitzmaurice. They also had a daughter, Christina (b 1820), who married a William McKay (I have no clue about his parents), a daughter Margaret (b 1818 in Kinloch) who married Hugh Robert McKay (son of Hugh and Ann McPherson).

As you can see, Brad, there's documentation for marriages between the various McKay lines but still some lamentable holes in historic record. I have yet to find any documentation for my William's parents who were alleged to have been Donald McKay and Barbara Morrison. William and Catherine were supposed to have been cousins. Both William and Robert had daughters named Barbara but there's no evidence that either had sons named Donald.

I'm particularly interested in locating a death record for Robert McKay of Kinloch, NS. He died in December of 1881 in Kinloch, Middle Ohio, Shelburne County, NS. According to Jennie Blades, Robert was from Keoldale (place of William's residence on his marriage record). I would like to find some documentary evidence of this but so far...no joy.

I've been reading a work on the Reay regiment. There are references to many McKays in it. The Robert McKay that I mention here is supposed to have been named for an elder brother Robert who was erroneously thought to have been killed in Ireland. I think (though have no proof) that William may have been in this regiment. There's some intriguing bits mentioning a William of the right age but it's all speculation on my part.

Well, it's getting late for this old girl...I'm off to bed.

Inez

Inez Reed
14-07-2010, 3:34 AM
Regarding my elusive McKays, yesterday, I came across an old post by Eileen Vasa regarding the marriage banns of William Morison and Margaret Ross. The banns were published in May of 1779. Witnesses included an Angus MacKay, Chelsea Pensioner and a William Morrison. The groom was listed as a former soldier in the Duke of Gordon's Northern Fencibles. His residence was recorded as Footdee (Port of Dee) which was a small fishing village near Aberdeen.

I found a reference in Stuart Reid's Eighteenth Century Highlanders that stated that a George MacKay of Bighouse Estates was a Captain in the Northern Fencibles. I've also found a couple of queries regarding the descendants of a Donald MacKay who was a shepherd on the Bighouse estates in association with the Ross family of Aberdeen. Close but no cigar, unfortunately.

If any of you are interested in the military of the period, Stuart Reid's book is available on line at www.archive.org. There is a muster list of the Reay Fencibles (quite imposing). Many William and Donald MacKays, of course.

Best wishes,

Inez

Cousins - Forgive me for going back through these old posts but I think in my case, the common thread is the Morrison/Donn connection. As noted above, the witnesses on the banns of William Morrison and Margaret Ross were "Angus McKay, Chelsea Pensioner" and a William Morrison. The bridegroom, William Morrison was listed as a soldier in the Northern Fencibles.

I wanted to mention briefly, that the poet Rob (MacKay) Donn had a son Angus McKay Donn who was born about the year 1747 making him this William's age. His daughter, Christina, married (again) a Hugh Murray. Hugh's mother was a Morrison.

I wonder what the connection was? The reason I ask is the Gerald M I've written to has a Morrison/McKay connection (and the military connection). Murray appears as a middle name in Peter McPherson McKay & Debra Grovestine. I wonder if there is any connection with the Calders/Donn family with our part of the universe?

Idle speculation of the sleep deprived...I bid you nighty-night again.

Inez

Brad Hulton
15-07-2010, 4:46 AM
David McKay was born on May 24, 1793
Would you have a source for this date? I would tend to think that the record I found for a David MacKay in Reay is the right one. It is for his baptism which would have occurred 10 days after his birth (24 May, 1793).
Brad

Brad Hulton
15-07-2010, 5:09 AM
To all those interested in the Clan MacKay, I have found a copy of "A History of the House and Clan of MacKay" written by Robert MacKay in 1829. it is available for download from
www.
archive.org/search.php?query=House%20%26%20Clan%20of%20MacKay% 20AND%20mediatype:texts
This website is an outstanding source for old books and paper and other media. It is a non profit partnership intended to create an online library.
Brad

Mary Young
16-07-2010, 2:08 AM
there are no births of a "Murdoch" McKay or MacKay in Scotland in 1807 (birth registration became mandatory in 1800 in Scotland)

Hi Brad
I never heard of this mandatory registration from 1800 ... what organisation imposed this rule? Statutory registration of births, marriages and deaths required by government didn't start till 1855.

tpbiii
16-07-2010, 4:49 AM
Would you have a source for this date? I would tend to think that the record I found for a David MacKay in Reay is the right one. It is for his baptism which would have occurred 10 days after his birth (24 May, 1793).
Brad

I got that date from a document called "Descendants of David McKay and Janet McPherson, Jordan Area" published by the Shelburne County Genealogical Society. That source references a letter detailing the the family history written by David himself (on the letterhead of his son Curtis McKay LLB, Yarmouth) in answer to a query from Rev G. R. McKean (minister at United Church, Shelburne). The same data can also be found in the 1871 census (David McKay died Dec 7, 1877), and in the pamplet by Marion Robertson caslled "The Family of Donald McKay -- The McKays and McPhersons." As already noted in this forum, David's wife Janet (McPherson) was the sister of the wife of Hugh MacKay (note spelling variation), Ann (McPherson) -- who were the parents of the famous Donald MacKay, the shipbuilder. So we are related to the famous Donald McKay not through the MacKay/McKay connection (as far as I know), but through the McPherson sisters.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
17-07-2010, 9:00 PM
Hi cousins, I recently "found" this title while looking through some PEI MacLeod and MacKay material:

http://www.archive.org/details/AnnCaldersChildren

There are many references to a Captain Donald MacKay and a Captain MacAlpine that I thought may be of interest.

Best wishes,

Inez

Inez Reed
07-08-2010, 4:55 AM
Hi Cousins - Would any of you have any ideas about the family of a Catherine McKay who married a Samuel Barry or Lemuel Berry Locke in Shelburne in 1871? This woman was the mother of a David Roy Locke (b. 1889) who married Sarah Blanche Seaboyer. Sarah Blanche was the daughter of Clayton and Mary Rose Walker Seaboyer.

Best wishes,

Inez

Brad Hulton
08-08-2010, 3:57 AM
Hi Inez
Found these...

Barry & Kate Locke
Year: 1881;Census Place: Shelburne, Shelburne, Nova Scotia. Roll: C_13171, Page 66, Family No: 306.
Barry & Catherine Locke
Year: 1891;Census Place: Jordan Bay, Shelburne, Nova Scotia. Roll: T-6321, Family No: 10

and they have a son David in the 1891 census aged 2.
Hope this helps...
Brad


Hi Cousins - Would any of you have any ideas about the family of a Catherine McKay who married a Samuel Barry or Lemuel Berry Locke in Shelburne in 1871? This woman was the mother of a David Roy Locke (b. 1889) who married Sarah Blanche Seaboyer. Sarah Blanche was the daughter of Clayton and Mary Rose Walker Seaboyer.

Best wishes,

Inez

tpbiii
09-05-2011, 8:22 PM
Hi all you cousins,

For Christmas, my children gave me a six month subscription to ancestry.com. Since then I have wasted many hours -- alas mostly on the the pirate fighting branch of my family on the Cape Fear River.

Earlier today, I got back to researching the David McKay family, and a long sought answer popped up. Long story short, David McKay was the grandson of Sargent Donald! Sargent Donald McKay (b. 1740) married Elizabeth (no record of last name) in 1759. They had a child William McKay in 1770. He married Mary Munro and they had the a for mentioned David in 1793 -- this was all in Scotland.

In the meantime, Sargent Donald McKay came to Jordan Falls after the American Revolution, and continued his family. His son Hugh, father of famous Donald, was born in Jordan Falls in 1788. That would make Hugh David's uncle -- even though he was only five years older. Hugh married Anne McPherson.

When David immigrated to join his grandfather (and family) sometime after 1800, he ultimately married his uncle's wife's sister -- Janet McPherson.

So, as they say, there is the rest of the story. Stephen, you were right -- they were related! So all we descendents of David McKay are double cousins to the famous Donald. If you think that is cool, you are free to celebrate.

Best,

-Tom

Brad Hulton
10-05-2011, 3:25 AM
Hi Cuz
Do you have sources for the link to Sargent Donald? Any records of William and Mary (all I have found is their names on David's baptizm record)?

Thanks for the info by the way! I suspected this but haven't found the records to prove it.
Brad

tpbiii
10-05-2011, 7:01 PM
Hi Cuz
Do you have sources for the link to Sargent Donald? Any records of William and Mary (all I have found is their names on David's baptizm record)?

Thanks for the info by the way! I suspected this but haven't found the records to prove it.
Brad

Hi Brad,

This data all came from family tree records from ancestor.com out of Scotland. The data appears in several trees, with slight variations, which makes me think is very probably correct in substance.

This all gives new life to the old family legend (told by David's son William to his grandson (my grandfather) Leslie) that the famous Donald was born in our kitchen. At the time of the famous Donald's birth (1811), the land was in probate I guess, which was never completed until 1818 when Jane (Johnston) Sutherland sold the place to David. There is no record of what was going on on the land between when William Sutherland sailed away on the privateer Nelson and David bought the place 18 years later. Since now it seems this was all a family affair, the old story seems a bit more plausible.

Tell me more about William and Mary. Is this David McKay's baptismal record from 1793? If so, they are undoubtedly his father (William McKay, son of Sargent Donald McKay) and mother Mary (Munro) McKay. As far as I can tell, these two people never left Scotland.

Best,

-Tom

pcorbett
11-05-2011, 1:20 AM
I am delighted to have this information confirmed. Thanks for posting!
Penny

Brad Hulton
11-05-2011, 8:14 PM
Hi Brad,

This data all came from family tree records from ancestor.com out of Scotland. The data appears in several trees, with slight variations, which makes me think is very probably correct in substance.

This all gives new life to the old family legend (told by David's son William to his grandson (my grandfather) Leslie) that the famous Donald was born in our kitchen. At the time of the famous Donald's birth (1811), the land was in probate I guess, which was never completed until 1818 when Jane (Johnston) Sutherland sold the place to David. There is no record of what was going on on the land between when William Sutherland sailed away on the privateer Nelson and David bought the place 18 years later. Since now it seems this was all a family affair, the old story seems a bit more plausible.

Tell me more about William and Mary. Is this David McKay's baptismal record from 1793? If so, they are undoubtedly his father (William McKay, son of Sargent Donald McKay) and mother Mary (Munro) McKay. As far as I can tell, these two people never left Scotland.

Best,

-Tom

Hi Tom
I looked over everything I had on David and his family again last night because something was bothering me about some of the data. First I have the baptism of David MacKay son to William MacKay & Mary Munro at Smigill (located this place finally on a map from the early 1700s. It lay south of Reay in a small glen with a gill running through it and was the site of a mill, church and a few homes.) on 3 Jun 1793. So we have a name for his parents that is solid. I haven't been able to locate any record of William & Mary's marriage however. This is a pity as it would have helped in identifying the correct William more accurately. The search for William becomes problematic in that there are numerous children of this name being born in the most likely time frame across Caithness. Then too, I had the problem of Sgt. Donald McKay. I read somewhere that a letter was written by David (I believe to a minister doing some kind of genealogy research) that named Hugh Sgt. Donald's son "Cousin". If this was the case (and I think it is) then Sgt. Donald wouldn't be David's grandfather but most likely his Uncle. Sgt. Donald would also have been too young, I think, to have been David's grandfather. Sgt. Donald joined Lord MacDonald's 76th Grenadiers upon their formation in 1778. If Donald was born in 1740 as has been asserted, that would have made him 38 at the time of his enlistment. This seems to be very unlikely to me, as it would have meant abandoning the hypothetical family he had in Scotland including his son of 8 years (William) and any other children he may have sired. As well war and adventure aren't normally things a man of middle age with a family would seek out, especially in a distant land. Sgt. Donald would then have to have remarried to a Margaret (last name unknown) who gave him Hugh in 1788 and possibly a son Donald who died before the Sgt.'s will was written. He then married Sarah Ketland on April 21, 1793 in Shelburne who gave him Margaret, Simon, Elizabeth and Robert George Gordon. He wrote his will on Dec 7 1826 and died before it was probated 5 Mar 1827. Since this suggested a younger man, likely William's contemporary (and assuming HIS parent's were Donald and Elizabeth), I looked for a possible match as siblings, and found just that. In Dunnet (about 4km east of Thurso) I found records of a family that fits the bill. They lived in Barrock (about 2km south east of Dunnet) and are as follows....

Donald MacKay and Elspeth (Elizabeth) Shearer of Barrock (no marriage records have been found but a guess would be 1753) had
Robert bap. 10 Mar 1754
James bap. 1 Feb 1756
David bap. 14 May 1758
Jannet bap. 23 May 1760
Donald bap. * Oct 1762 (* date was illegible)
John bap. 24 Mar 1768
William bap. 7 Oct 1770

as you can see this would be a perfect fit for William and Sgt. Donald being brothers and would fit the facts we have of Donald's life and family.
I later found Donald Sr.'s possible baptism in Watten about 8km south of Dunnet. Bap. 1 Oct 1733 McKay, Donald son to Patrick McKay and Margaret Sutherland. This would also fit nicely. When looking for Elizabeth Shearer only one record showed up but it fits as well. Bap. 18 Dec 1738 in Dalserf, Lanark; Shearer, Elizabeth daughter to James Shearer and Margrett Finlay. I find this very interesting as the second child of Donald & Elspeth McKay was named James, making the case for this to be the probable Elizabeth.
Well that is it for now. Hope to here from you soon.
Cheers
Brad

Brad Hulton
11-05-2011, 8:46 PM
Tom
Also found that in both the 1827 and 1838 census of Shelburne and area in addition to our David there are a Robert, a James, a John and a William McKay farming in Shelburne. Makes one wonder hmmmm?????:confused:

Brad

tpbiii
12-05-2011, 2:02 AM
Hi Tom
I looked over everything I had on David and his family again last night because something was bothering me about some of the data. First I have the baptism of David MacKay son to William MacKay & Mary Munro at Smigill (located this place finally on a map from the early 1700s. It lay south of Reay in a small glen with a gill running through it and was the site of a mill, church and a few homes.) on 3 Jun 1793. So we have a name for his parents that is solid. I haven't been able to locate any record of William & Mary's marriage however. This is a pity as it would have helped in identifying the correct William more accurately. The search for William becomes problematic in that there are numerous children of this name being born in the most likely time frame across Caithness. Then too, I had the problem of Sgt. Donald McKay. I read somewhere that a letter was written by David (I believe to a minister doing some kind of genealogy research) that named Hugh Sgt. Donald's son "Cousin". If this was the case (and I think it is) then Sgt. Donald wouldn't be David's grandfather but most likely his Uncle. Sgt. Donald would also have been too young, I think, to have been David's grandfather. Sgt. Donald joined Lord MacDonald's 76th Grenadiers upon their formation in 1778. If Donald was born in 1740 as has been asserted, that would have made him 38 at the time of his enlistment. This seems to be very unlikely to me, as it would have meant abandoning the hypothetical family he had in Scotland including his son of 8 years (William) and any other children he may have sired. As well war and adventure aren't normally things a man of middle age with a family would seek out, especially in a distant land. Sgt. Donald would then have to have remarried to a Margaret (last name unknown) who gave him Hugh in 1788 and possibly a son Donald who died before the Sgt.'s will was written. He then married Sarah Ketland on April 21, 1793 in Shelburne who gave him Margaret, Simon, Elizabeth and Robert George Gordon. He wrote his will on Dec 7 1826 and died before it was probated 5 Mar 1827. Since this suggested a younger man, likely William's contemporary (and assuming HIS parent's were Donald and Elizabeth), I looked for a possible match as siblings, and found just that. In Dunnet (about 4km east of Thurso) I found records of a family that fits the bill. They lived in Barrock (about 2km south east of Dunnet) and are as follows....

Donald MacKay and Elspeth (Elizabeth) Shearer of Barrock (no marriage records have been found but a guess would be 1753) had
Robert bap. 10 Mar 1754
James bap. 1 Feb 1756
David bap. 14 May 1758
Jannet bap. 23 May 1760
Donald bap. * Oct 1762 (* date was illegible)
John bap. 24 Mar 1768
William bap. 7 Oct 1770

as you can see this would be a perfect fit for William and Sgt. Donald being brothers and would fit the facts we have of Donald's life and family.
I later found Donald Sr.'s possible baptism in Watten about 8km south of Dunnet. Bap. 1 Oct 1733 McKay, Donald son to Patrick McKay and Margaret Sutherland. This would also fit nicely. When looking for Elizabeth Shearer only one record showed up but it fits as well. Bap. 18 Dec 1738 in Dalserf, Lanark; Shearer, Elizabeth daughter to James Shearer and Margrett Finlay. I find this very interesting as the second child of Donald & Elspeth McKay was named James, making the case for this to be the probable Elizabeth.
Well that is it for now. Hope to here from you soon.
Cheers
Brad

Hi Brad,

Yea, I had already found problems. It is true that there are a bunch (10) of ancestry tree that show Srg. Donald unequivocally as (our) Davids grandfather. But I noticed that it shows Donald as 1740-1808 rather than 1751-1827 I have from a good source for Srg. Donald. What it looks like is that someone merged another Donald with Srg. Donald, and then a bunch of people copied the mistake.

However, I don't think the available data supports the uncle theory -- Srg. Donald appears to be born at least 10 year earlier than your candidate.

I guess we have another dead end. Too bad.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
12-05-2011, 3:18 AM
Hi again, Brad.

No hmmmmm about it, the William McKay listed in the 1827 census was more than likely my ancestor. He had a brother named Robert. He also had sons John, James and Robert in that area in 1838.

At this point, I have NO clue as to how he would have been related to David McKay. I've pretty well given up on finding primary documentation concerning his birth or parents. Maybe it would have been listed on his death certificate but I've yet to find that either.

FWIW - I always thought Sgt. Donald was an older chap, born in 1740 according to most but as Tom said, these dates or set or researches tend to get conflated.

Inez

David R McKay
20-05-2011, 6:13 AM
HELLO MCKAY FAMILY, this thread is incredible. The research conducted is outstanding , and the contribution of each of those involved to the overall results certainly is to be envied by all of us McKays/Mckays who have struggled with the Scottish naming patterns and with the lack of available old records. I read through each page hoping to be able to contribute some bit of information and to make a connections with my Aberdeenshire ancestors named Robert, William, Anne, Hugh, George etc, but only to find the old brick wall-- McKay, Stephenson, Reid-- still blocking my path.

I have been searching for years to find the family of my great grandfather Robert Stephenson McKay born Oct 1813, in Freaserburgh, Aberdeenshire Scotland. Alas I have nothing to contribute except that I think this research should be passed on to W. Alex McKay, Seanachaidh, Clan Mackay Scotland, at
http://www.
clanmackaysociety.org/society.html and Kenneth Bain Seanachaidh, Clan Mackay USA. at klbain@sbcglobal.net. W. Alex is working on a Memory Project to update some of the research on Clan Mackay.

For what it is worth
David Reid McKay,
No connection to the David McKay mentioned in the Thread.

Brad Hulton
21-05-2011, 6:35 PM
HELLO MCKAY FAMILY, this thread is incredible. The research conducted is outstanding , and the contribution of each of those involved to the overall results certainly is to be envied by all of us McKays/Mckays who have struggled with the Scottish naming patterns and with the lack of available old records. I read through each page hoping to be able to contribute some bit of information and to make a connections with my Aberdeenshire ancestors named Robert, William, Anne, Hugh, George etc, but only to find the old brick wall-- McKay, Stephenson, Reid-- still blocking my path.

I have been searching for years to find the family of my great grandfather Robert Stephenson McKay born Oct 1813, in Freaserburgh, Aberdeenshire Scotland. Alas I have nothing to contribute except that I think this research should be passed on to W. Alex McKay, Seanachaidh, Clan Mackay Scotland, at http://www.clanmackaysociety.org/society.html and Kenneth Bain Seanachaidh, Clan Mackay USA. at klbain@sbcglobal.net. W. Alex is working on a Memory Project to update some of the research on Clan Mackay.

For what it is worth
David Reid McKay,
No connection to the David McKay mentioned in the Thread.


Welcome David
I took a quick look but can't find any parish records for Fraserburgh so unless you can find them and how to access them I'm afraid you are out of luck. They may no longer exist since the Scottish National Archives don't have them, but you never can tell, they may turn up some day. As to your other walls... I would suggest looking in Strichen. It is about 13km south west from Fraserburgh and has many records from the early 1700's to the mid 1800's of Reid and Stephenson families. Given the proximity it is likely they came from that area. Further afield are other groups of both names in Cluny, Keig and the Chapel of Garioch. Try searching http://www.freereg.org.uk they have some record transcriptions in a searchable database, although not complete by any means, it is worth a look. Hope this helps....
Brad

Brad Hulton
21-05-2011, 10:58 PM
Update:

It would appear that David McKay had siblings. Alexander in 1796, Isabel bap 2 Aug 1801 at Trantlemore and Mary bap 9 Jun 1803 in Calder, Halkirk, Caithness. I also noticed that Isabel's baptism names her mother "Margaret Munro" not Mary. If this was her actual name then I may have found a good candidate for her baptism, Margaret Munro bap 15 Aug 1770 in Bower daughter of John Munro of Stanstil (futher investigation lead to addittional records; a baptism for Janet 24 Jan 1773 a baptism for Katherine May 1776, both records name the mother as Margaret but one gives her maiden name as Geddes and the other as Gunn). Interestingly there where MacKays as witnesses at both Margaret and Janet's baptisms. That's it for now.
Cheers
Brad

Dave McKay
11-08-2011, 11:15 PM
Hello Cousins,

My name is David MacPherson McKay. My father is David MacPherson McKay. His father was David MacPherson McKay. His great-grandparents were David McKay and Janet MacPherson.

It is so exciting to see that there are so many of us around.

David

Brad Hulton
12-08-2011, 5:01 AM
Welcome Cousin!
Nice to find another one ;{)
Brad

K Potter
14-08-2011, 2:48 AM
Brad,
My name is Kevin Potter (from Nova Scotia) and I am doing some follow up research on a James McKay from Caithness who eventually ended up in Guysborough Intervale, Nova Scotia. I had read many earlier postings in this forum with interest but your most recent postings on Donald MacKay and Elspeth (Elizabeth) Shearer of Barrock caught my attention. You list a son named James baptized 1 February 1756. Ruth Long (my Aunt) wrote a book on the James McKay Family of Guysborough INtervale but she was unable to trace him back to his Scotland routes. However, we found in her notes where she had handwritten from a 1989 trip to Scotland that Donald and Elspeth could be our James' parents. You will note that I wrote McKay and not MacKay as in your posting. Ruth obtained an Extract of an entry in an OLD PAROCHIAL RECORD of Dunnet that verifies a Donald McKay and Elizabeth Shearer of Upper Greenland as parents of a James born 1 February 1756.

The family lore for our James was that he took part in the American Revolution, returned to Scotland circa 1783 , then returned to New York (either 1783 or early 1784) with a Christina Stewart, and eventually made his way to Guysborough Intervale in 1784. He obtained a land grant as part of the Hallowell grants in the Guysborough area. He is listed in the Ac Jost book as being a part of the Allied Department of the Army and Navy groups that came to Guysborough in 1784.

We have not been able to verify the family lore and have been searching for any credible links for James' parentage.

I would be interested in your thoughts on the above and whether you other information that might support link between your reported information and our James.

Regards,
Kevin Potter

tpbiii
14-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Hello Cousins,

My name is David MacPherson McKay. My father is David MacPherson McKay. His father was David MacPherson McKay. His great-grandparents were David McKay and Janet MacPherson.

It is so exciting to see that there are so many of us around.

David


Hi David,

Nice name.

I appear to be your 4th Cousin -- my GG Grandfather was William Earnest, also son of David and Janet and brother to the first David McPherson McKay. I am writing this post from an upstairs bedroom of the original David McKay house in Jordan Falls -- bought by him and his wife Janet in 1818. There are pictures posted earlier. The house has now been in the family for seven generations -- a pretty good run.

Best,

-Tom

Brad Hulton
15-08-2011, 6:47 AM
Brad,
My name is Kevin Potter (from Nova Scotia) and I am doing some follow up research on a James McKay from Caithness who eventually ended up in Guysborough Intervale, Nova Scotia. I had read many earlier postings in this forum with interest but your most recent postings on Donald MacKay and Elspeth (Elizabeth) Shearer of Barrock caught my attention. You list a son named James baptized 1 February 1756. Ruth Long (my Aunt) wrote a book on the James McKay Family of Guysborough INtervale but she was unable to trace him back to his Scotland routes. However, we found in her notes where she had handwritten from a 1989 trip to Scotland that Donald and Elspeth could be our James' parents. You will note that I wrote McKay and not MacKay as in your posting. Ruth obtained an Extract of an entry in an OLD PAROCHIAL RECORD of Dunnet that verifies a Donald McKay and Elizabeth Shearer of Upper Greenland as parents of a James born 1 February 1756.

The family lore for our James was that he took part in the American Revolution, returned to Scotland circa 1783 , then returned to New York (either 1783 or early 1784) with a Christina Stewart, and eventually made his way to Guysborough Intervale in 1784. He obtained a land grant as part of the Hallowell grants in the Guysborough area. He is listed in the Ac Jost book as being a part of the Allied Department of the Army and Navy groups that came to Guysborough in 1784.

We have not been able to verify the family lore and have been searching for any credible links for James' parentage.

I would be interested in your thoughts on the above and whether you other information that might support link between your reported information and our James.

Regards,
Kevin Potter

Welcome Kevin.
I think it's very likely your Aunt was correct, but it isn't definitive. Unfortunately the records in Scotland are very fragmented and often inaccurate, the spelling of the last name for example, a person can be born with one name married under another and buried under a different name than the other two. That said, I couldn't find a record of another James being baptized in the area until 1761 and another in 1766, so if the data fits what you have as clues, I would say you have a probable match. Elpheth "Elizabeth" Shearer of Upper Greenland sounds right since Greenland is about 2.5km from Dunnet (Dunnet, Greenland and Barrock form a triangle of roughly equal sides) although that most likely means she was residing there at the time the record was made not necessarily "from" there. As to the family legend of him returning to find a bride, I could find nothing to substantiate that. No records of a James Mckay marrying a Christina Stewart where found. I would tend to think it unlikely he returned to Scotland and then came back to New York, that voyage would take a great deal of time and during the period you mentioned New York was being evacuated. I think it more likely he went to Nova Scotia (New Scotland) and was married there, then returned to New York to aide in the relocation effort. I would look in Nova Scotia for a possible marriage record (or perhaps New Brunswick where a large contingent of Loyalists went) to start with and maybe New York as well. I did find his land grant of a town lot in Guysborough in 1790 but it didn't give his regiment. I would also suggest you look at http://www.royalprovincial.com/index.htm Todd Braisted's excellent site on Loyalists.
Hope this helps.
Brad

Inez Reed
16-08-2011, 1:43 AM
Many of the British troops including Scottish Regiments of the line were evacuated out of New York in 1783/1784. You'd do well to figure out just which regiment your James fought with. The 74th Regiment of Foot (Argyll & Sutherland), for example, did muster out at St. Andrews, Nova Scotia (now New Brunswick) in 1784. Troops were often encourage via land grants to muster out "in place" rather than to return to places like Stirling. These Crown Grants can be searched often by regiment or by the individual's name. Some men, I should add, that mustered out from the 74th in what's now NB ended up in Nova Scotia.

You could also do a universal search at Collections Canada, I'd hit the Ward Chipman papers.

Best wishes,

Inez

K Potter
16-08-2011, 2:29 PM
Dear Inez,
Thank you for your comments on military service. I have undertaken an extensive search for our James McKay's military service and post war activities leading him and Christina (she also went by Christian) to Guysborough Intervale. I have eliminated several possibilities such as the Duke of Cumberland's Regiment, the St. Augustine group (on the Argo) and several other groups through a detailed online review of the Ward Chipman documents.

I believe that our James is a bit of an anomaly (or a mystery that needs solving!). Jost lists him with the Allied department of Army and Navy. But he and Christina did not arrive in Guysborough in June 1984 with the largest part of that group. So he arrived from a different route and maybe later, possibly as late as 1785. However, he is placed in the Intervale by October 1785 as the first son was born at that time.

Family lore has James being a part of the Black Watch or 42nd Regiment. However, I have read that the flotilla heading to the new world was separated by a storm with some ships ending in Halifax and some in New York. I again have read that a soldier might be allocated to another unit were this to happen. Therefore, I have scoured sites such as the one mentioned by Brad for any identification of a James McKay on a muster list or communication. The James McKays identified so far are either on the wrong side of the war or do not fit the information we already know about our James.

Another part of the family lore was that our James' brother Donald went to South Africa and made his fortune in diamonds. He had no heirs and presumably passed away there. There is a Donald MacKay who settled in South Africa and who provided services to the mines. However, he married and had an extensive family.

Inez, I agree that this part of the history is important to providing support to identifying James's links to Scotland and his parentage.

Thank you for your thoughts.
Kevin

K Potter
16-08-2011, 2:38 PM
Thank you Brad,
I too struggled with the idea of James returning to Scotland and then returning to New York before resettlement to Guysborough. It has been said by a Cheryl Dieter that he and Christina went directly from Cape Wrath to Guysborough. This has been rejected as a possibility by a Guysborough genealogy expert. I have not dropped this possibility but I am awaiting correspondence from Cheryl for her support for the observation.

Thanks again.

Regards
Kevin

Inez Reed
17-08-2011, 1:53 AM
Dear Kevin - It sounds as though James' route to Nova Scotia is still somewhat veiled despite you systematic and apparently thorough research efforts. Sometimes breakthroughs come from more unlikely resources. I had ordered a War Office film (120 Vol 17) from Ottawa. When it arrived, the contents didn't match the catalogue description. What I had hoped for was attestation information for the 74th Regiment of Foot. It contained a roster describing the physical condition of individuals at the time of their discharge, place of discharge, duration of service, etc. Quite by luck, (not for old Walter McFarlane, he'd been wounded) this document contained information on my ancestor including previous profession age at time of discharge and place of birth.

If you haven't had a good dig through the WO microfilms, it may be worth your time.

Best wishes,

Inez

StephenMKohler
02-01-2012, 10:12 PM
Hello Cuz'ns, I hope all is well with you and yours. Pardon my absence these long months. Life has a way of redirecting our efforts sometimes. I see the quest for our elusive McKay ancestors is alive and well. I have missed this incredible thread and I am very happy to be back and engaged. Now what's all this talk of SGT Donald McKay's grandson David McKay? Does anyone care to catch me up?

Always, Cuz Stephen
Washington, DC
Palm Harbor, Florida
San Antonio, Texas

tpbiii
03-01-2012, 1:15 AM
Hello Cuz'ns, I hope all is well with you and yours. Pardon my absence these long months. Life has a way of redirecting our efforts sometimes. I see the quest for our elusive McKay ancestors is alive and well. I have missed this incredible thread and I am very happy to be back and engaged. Now what's all this talk of SGT Donald McKay's grandson David McKay? Does anyone care to catch me up?

Always, Cuz Stephen
Washington, DC
Palm Harbor, Florida
San Antonio, Texas

Hi Stephen,

That came from me -- but it is now every suspect. In fact, almost certainly is wrong. I had found a family tree on ancestry.com that said exactly that. However, it did not survive careful study. It appears that two separate trees had been merged incorrectly because of two individuals had been accidentally merged into one. This all was in Scotland.

Oh well.

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
03-01-2012, 9:43 PM
Oh, nothing new on that particular branch of "the" family, cuz. I did hear from another McKay descendant who had a bit of clarification to offer me on my wayward branch, Tom/Stephen. She is at odds with a website that claims our William was the son of Donald & Barbara Morrison McKay. She ties back through a Morrison line that stayed in the area so it's fairly compelling.

Inez

Hope all is well with you all. There's a light dusting of snow here and the brass monkey is looking longingly through the front window in hopes of being taken off the porch!

cowboyguy
11-01-2012, 8:08 AM
yes life has cought up with me too, back surgery and all, but it sure was good to hear from ya K. McKay

cowboyguy
11-01-2012, 8:14 AM
thank you,K.McKay

StephenMKohler
12-01-2012, 3:32 PM
Awrite Cuz’ns. Tom, thank you for the explanation. It was almost too good to be true. Inez, sounds like the Morrison woman has a good tussle ahead of her. Leave the brass monkey outside. K, I hope you are through the worst of it and on to good recovery.

Always, Stephen

Gruff55
09-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Hi new to the forum, I'm from Plymouth uk and have an ancestor named David Mackay born 1796 in Scotland but I'm not sure the whereabouts, the bizarre thing is he emigrated to the channel islands jersey and became a warder at Mont orgueil castle, he married a Marie Clair Valin from Flanders but that is it, not sure if i will really ever find out where in Scotland he is from much to my frustration

noddy62
21-12-2013, 12:57 PM
I am interested in the McKay family of Thurso, Caithness, Scotland. I am specifically seeking information on the parents and siblings of David McKay b. May 24 1793 in Thurso, Caithiness, Scotland. David immigrated to Canada and settled on the west side of the East Jordon River, Shelburne, Nova Scotia, Canada. David McKay married Janet McPherson, dau. of Lachlan and Elizabeth (Urquhart) McPherson, b., April 6, 1799 I East Jordan. N.S. I have much information on generations descending from this marriage that I am happy to share with other McKay researchers.

/Rwould love innfo on mckay family please.

Stephen
Washington, DC

would love innfo on mckay family please.

Lesley Robertson
21-12-2013, 6:19 PM
Welcome to Brit Gen!

The original poster is no longer a member of Brit Gen, I'm afraid.
Why not start your own thread with a little bit of info about the family you're researching? There's a lot oh McKays around.

Inez Reed
22-12-2013, 10:20 PM
Hi Lesley - Please repost your questions about the McKay family that came from Thurso to Jordan Falls area Nova Scotia in the 19th century!

Inez

Lesley Robertson
23-12-2013, 9:57 AM
I don't have any questions about this family. I suggest that you look at the message I was responding to, from a new member.

JackieHollow
27-01-2014, 5:23 PM
Hi Inez! I believe the Gilbert McKay you speak of here is my 5th great grandfather. I'd love to talk to you about him! Gilbert was born about 1755, I believe, in Scotland, and moved to Shelburne NS. He served in the Rev. War, from what I am told. I'm a southern girl (Arkansas) trying to find the best way to research in Shelburne. Just googling Gilbert McKay Revolutionary War, brought me to this forum. I can't wait to delve in more here!


Let me correct myself...again...Wm and Catharine Morrison were married in Thurso in 1803 as per first post.

There was a Donald McKay that was born in Brawlbin and later went to Thurso. He was definitely from the highlands. He's mentioned in the Book of McKay. That book has been digitized and is on the Family History Archive of the Mormon Church. I have dial up so I have not been able to wade through part 2 of the book which has all of the McKay branches.

Donald (joined 1777?) was mustered out of the 76th along with a Gilbert McKay. I've found some records associated with him (presumably dates are right) in Shelburne. I think Stephen's thoughts on the elder McKay being responsible for bringing some of his kinsmen into the area.

Take care and hope to hear from the two of you soon.

Inez

JackieHollow
27-01-2014, 6:01 PM
Penny, my lines include Crocheron, Guyon, Berry/Barry, and McKays also! I'd love to talk with you more about these lines.



The paternal side of my grandmother's family is Jacob Locke Smith's parents: David George Smith (m.1836 to Catherine Elizabeth Locke b.1822), and her ancestors include Locke, Perry, Barry, Crocheron, Guyon and another McKay (Elizabeth McKay m to John Crocheron b. 1798.


Best,
Penny Corbett

Inez Reed
28-01-2014, 1:59 PM
Hi Inez! I believe the Gilbert McKay you speak of here is my 5th great grandfather. I'd love to talk to you about him! Gilbert was born about 1755, I believe, in Scotland, and moved to Shelburne NS. He served in the Rev. War, from what I am told. I'm a southern girl (Arkansas) trying to find the best way to research in Shelburne. Just googling Gilbert McKay Revolutionary War, brought me to this forum. I can't wait to delve in more here!

Hi Jackie - It's been a while since I've worked with these wily McKay ancestors. Who was your earliest set of ancestors that may have been closer in time to Gilbert and where were they located. I notice that you responded to Penny's post on her Shelburne connection. What are the other surnames you'd be looking at in Shelburne?

Inez

Inez Reed
28-01-2014, 3:09 PM
Jackie - Nice blog you have. So your earliest McKay ancestor in the states was Gilbert son of William and Elizabeth Crocheron? There's an early marriage 21 January 1829 at Christ Church, Shelburne, NS. Do you have another other tidbits?

Inez

Inez Reed
28-01-2014, 3:47 PM
Shelburne County Archives and Genealogical Society is a good place to start. The have surname files:

http://nsgna.ednet.ns.ca/shelburne/surnames.html#c

They also have a collection of family Bibles, Mckay and Crocherone two held there. I don't know which of the Mckay families in Shelburne this may have been from. There were several Mckay families settling in Shelburne during the last couple of decades of the 18th century and first couple of decades from the 19th century. There are a few that check in here that have been lead a merry chase over the years researching their history ;)

Inez

JackieHollow
28-01-2014, 5:12 PM
Hi Inez! First, thank you so much for replying so quickly!

What I know about my McKay line is fairly limited. Gilbert McKay seems to be part of the 76th Regt, or "MacDonald's Highlanders". He was discharged at Shelburne, and lived the remainder of his life there. On the 21 April 1800 he married Rebecca (everywhere says Berry, but the marriage record says McKie. I'm still trying to find proof). I do find Gilbert McKay in the Census for Shelburne in 1827. That's all I can find of him. It's unknown when he died, or where he's buried. At least unknown by me.

His son, William McKay, who was born in 1806 and died 1893, married Elizabeth Crocheron Jan 1829. By 1871 they had moved to Southwold Elgin Co, Ontario.

Their son, Gilbert, served in the Civil War. Unfortunately he lost his life when lightning struck as he was standing guard under a tree. His wife Rhoda Berdan, remarried Ira Taylor shortly thereafter, and two of their sons were living with their grandparents William and Elizabeth above in 1871 census. Gilbert mustered into the war in Michigan, where his sister, and uncle Ebenezer (brother of William) lived.

Thank you for the compliment on the blog. I never feel as if I write well enough to blog, but I often enjoy it.

I have been in contact with the Shelburne Genealogical Society. And while I'd *LOVE* to have them do some research for me, they charge $30 an hour. Right now I'm a stay at home - homeschooling mom of 4. I'm hoping soon I'll be able to hire them, but until then, I'm doing what I can on my own.

Inez Reed
29-01-2014, 2:43 PM
Rebecca Berry was the daughter of Ebenezer Berry and Deborah Bootman. She was born in 1765. You have their marriage record. Piecing their reproductive years together from various sources, they had a number of children. She died in May of 1841 and is buried at St. John's Kirkyard, Shelburne, NS. Gilbert died before 1827, likely in 1799.

[Cemetery Records: NS, Shelburne. Co.; Vol. VII] Rebecca Berry w/ Gilbert McKay d.May1841ae75]

LHG: Trinity United Church, Shelburne, NS; Robertson] p.48 Rebecca BERRY wife of Gilbert MCKAY, mother of Janet McK. MARTIN, d.May1841ae75.

Inez

stay at home retiree and researcher

JackieHollow
29-01-2014, 4:54 PM
Yes, I have their marriage information which lists her last name as McKie. That's why I was unsure.

I hadn't seen the cemetery record. I'm assuming "Cemetery Records: NS, Shelburne. Co.; Vol. VII" is a book? Does it say what cemetery they were buried in? I also hadn't seen about his daughter Janet. I had only known of 2 of his children - Ebenezer and William. Thank you so much for that piece of his information!

It's my dream to one day go to Shelburne and do some research. I live in the deep south, and would love to spend a summer up there!!!

tpbiii
30-01-2014, 3:26 PM
Yes, I have their marriage information which lists her last name as McKie. That's why I was unsure.

I hadn't seen the cemetery record. I'm assuming "Cemetery Records: NS, Shelburne. Co.; Vol. VII" is a book? Does it say what cemetery they were buried in? I also hadn't seen about his daughter Janet. I had only known of 2 of his children - Ebenezer and William. Thank you so much for that piece of his information!

It's my dream to one day go to Shelburne and do some research. I live in the deep south, and would love to spend a summer up there!!!


Hi Jackie,

I am Tom Barnwell -- the ggg grandson of David McKay, who was the original subject of this thread. We are related to two McKay lines -- that of the Donald of the 76th and David, who was born in Scotland in 1793 and immigrated later. The known relation is by marriage (McPherson) -- we have never been able tie those two McKay lines together, but since they all came from the same part of Scotland to the same place (Jordan Falls/Shelburne), they may be.

Like you, I am mostly Southern -- the other three branches of my family are all from NC. My McKay grandfather was a Pullman conductor from Boston who married a southern girl.

I am now retired and we spend summers in the old family home in Jordan Falls -- its exact origins are not clear, but it has been in our family since at least 1818. I had not heard of Gilbert, but since it seems he is probably not directly related to us, I may have something I have ignored. A lot of that stuff is in NS, but some of it is here (Atlanta) -- I'll check. We get back to NS in June.

What is your blog?

Best,

-Tom

Inez Reed
30-01-2014, 4:07 PM
Hi folks, I believe that they are all buried in the cemetery at St. John's Church.

Inez

Hi Tom! long time no "see"

JackieHollow
30-01-2014, 8:02 PM
Hi Tom,

With Donald's birthdate, the fact that they served together, and he ended up in the same place, etc. I have to believe they are related. It almost seems as if perhaps brothers? OF course, that's all speculation on my part.

I can only imagine how wonderful it is for you to own the familial home! I would love to escape the hot summers here in the south (Arkansas), and head north. My McKay's moved into Michigan for several generations. It wasn't until my parents that they moved away. At least until my line.

I would love to hear if you come up with anything on Gilbert. He was granted land on the Harbour of Port Hebert. I found the map on the novascotia.ca site. I was told (but haven't found proof yet) that this land was later transferred to his BROTHER, William? I don't know anything at all about William right now. I do know Gilbert named his son William... <shrug> But William was a very common name also.

My blog is http://www.yesterdaysvoices.wordpress.com Just a basic blog about different ancestors in my line, etc.
Jackie

Inez Reed
05-11-2014, 9:36 AM
Hi Tom and all those researching the McKays of Shelburne County, Nova Scotia: familysearch now has the Shelburne County Wills and Probates online. You have to do a bit of digging but it could be well worth your time.

I found the will of my immigrant ancestor, William McKay who died in 1829. It did answer one basic questions I'd had about him over the years. Yes, he did have a brother Robert. I also found the will of said brother (still no clue way this old bird doesn't appear in the census records!).

Inez