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brookos
14-08-2006, 3:21 AM
Charles Swann migrated from England to NZ, not sure re dates. He met Caroline Britnell and had 10 children all born in Riwaka from 1855 - 1874. I have been told that they married around 1874 in Kaiteriteri. One of the childeren Lois stayed in NZ whilst the rest of the family moved to Aust. Lois married a Johann (John) Wendelborn. If anyone has any info on this line I would be happy. Lyn

Shine
16-09-2007, 11:36 AM
Well this is exciting!
I have a photo portrait of Lois on my tv as she is my mother's mother's mother!

First thing I look up and a hit straight away! My thinking was the best way to get info was to put all mine online for other people to find when they do google searches, so this is a perfect opportunity.

This is my list for Charles Swan and Caroline Britnell's children

1. Sarah Emma 1856
2. Lois 1858
3. Edward 15th Jan 1860
4. Alice 19th Sept 1861
5. Edith 16th Aug 1863
6. Emily and James 21st Nov 1865 (twins!)
7. Martha 31st Mar 1868
8. Charles 4th Feb 1874


Lois Swann married Johann Ludwig Friedrich Wendelborn in St Thomas Church (Motueka, near Nelson, South Island, New Zealand) on the 21st June 1882

This is my list for their children (my grandmother was the youngest of their nine children)

1. Edith born in 1883 (died at 6 weeks)
2. Hyam John Melveen (Darkie) born 20th July 1884 (died 5th March 1952)
3. Leslie Louis born 1st March 1888 (He died in Bombay while trading horses between Australia and India during the war)
4. Ida Lisette born 1st Sept 1890 Died 24th April 1966
5. Laurence Vincent born in Motueka 17th July 1893 died Dec 1918 (interred Featherston Cemetry)
6. Herman John born 9th August 1896 died 14th Sept 1969
7. Francis (Jack) born 1st January 1899
8. Lois Louisa (Dol) born 27th Dec 1903 died 23rd Oct 1965
9. Elizabeth Grace born 29th Oct 1905 died 1990 (My grandma, Grace!)


Elizabeth Grace married Roland Joshua Papps (Roly born Sept 1901 died 20th Oct 1980)
My mother is the youngest of their nine children

1. Clarence Roland (Bob) born 7th Aug 1922
2. Leslie Donald (Les) born 4th Nov died 2006
3. Nita Grace
4. Frederick John (Fred) born 5th May 1926 died 20th Dec 1984 (he was killed by the lid of the tanker truck he drove)
5. Lois Bertha
6. Richard Neil (Dick)
7. Dorothea Margaret (Dot)
8. James Edgar (Jim)
9. Janette Elizabeth

Janette Elizabeth married Robert Kelly (a scot who moved to Australia in his teens)

Their children are

1. Dawn Grace
2. Robb Stuart
3. Sharon Nita (ME!)

My mum married (and divorced) again to Graeme Smith and had one child

Leonard Graeme Smith (now legally Laron Graeme Smith)

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Extras!
I also have a information about Lois Swan's husband, Johann Ludwig Frederich Wendelborn

He is the son of Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Hartwig (b. 1830 d. 1876) and Wilhelmina (Minnie) Sophia Louisa Fanselow (who I think married Freidrich Ewers after she was widowed)
Wilhelm and Wilhelmina had 9 children

1. Henry Joachim John Friedrich 4.7.1854
2. Johann Ludwig Friedrich 6.3.1856
3. Dorothea (Dora) Louisa Henrietta 25.7. 1857
4. Lugwig Hans Christian 13.1.1860
5. Anna Sophia Margaretha 22.8.1862
6. Johann Heinrich William 25.2.1864
7. Caroline Maria (Mary) Sophie 20.9.1868
8. Emilie Louisa Wilhelmina 15.2.1871
9. George Johann Friederich 21.3.1874

NB: these lists are handwritten by my mother's mother from her bible and I have noticed the spelling of Friedrich is sometimes Freidrich and I am not sure if that is unintentional)

Wilhelm's parents were Ludwig David Friederich Wendelborn and Dorothea Caroline who arrived in Nelson (South Island, New Zealand) from Hamburg on "Skiold" Sept 1st 1844 with their children

Frederike Louise Henriette 20 years
Wilhelm Freiderich Carl Hartwig 14 years
Johann Christopher Hermann 11 years
Heinrich Julius Friederich 9 years
Ludwig Johann Christopher 6 years

shenthus
05-09-2010, 3:16 PM
Well this is exciting!
I have a photo portrait of Lois on my tv as she is my mother's mother's mother!

First thing I look up and a hit straight away! My thinking was the best way to get info was to put all mine online for other people to find when they do google searches, so this is a perfect opportunity.

This is my list for Charles Swan and Caroline Britnell's children

1. Sarah Emma 1856
2. Lois 1858
3. Edward 15th Jan 1860
4. Alice 19th Sept 1861
5. Edith 16th Aug 1863
6. Emily and James 21st Nov 1865 (twins!)
7. Martha 31st Mar 1868
8. Charles 4th Feb 1874

Lois Swann married Johann Ludwig Friedrich Wendelborn in St Thomas Church (Motueka, near Nelson, South Island, New Zealand) on the 21st June 1882

This is my list for their children (my grandmother was the youngest of their nine children)

1. Edith born in 1883 (died at 6 weeks)
2. Hyam John Melveen (Darkie) born 20th July 1884 (died 5th March 1952)
3. Leslie Louis born 1st March 1888 (He died in Bombay while trading horses between Australia and India during the war)
4. Ida Lisette born 1st Sept 1890 Died 24th April 1966
5. Laurence Vincent born in Motueka 17th July 1893 died Dec 1918 (interred Featherston Cemetry)
6. Herman John born 9th August 1896 died 14th Sept 1969
7. Francis (Jack) born 1st January 1899
8. Lois Louisa (Dol) born 27th Dec 1903 died 23rd Oct 1965
9. Elizabeth Grace born 29th Oct 1905 died 1990 (My grandma, Grace!)


Elizabeth Grace married Roland Joshua Papps (Roly born Sept 1901 died 20th Oct 1980)
My mother is the youngest of their nine children

1. Clarence Roland (Bob)
2. Leslie Donald (Les) born 4th Nov died 2006
3. Nita Grace
4. Frederick John (Fred) born 5th May 1926 died 20th Dec 1984 (he was killed by the lid of the tanker truck he drove)
5. Lois Bertha
6. Richard Neil (Dick)
7. Dorothea Margaret (Dot)
8. James Edgar (Jim)
9. Janette Elizabeth

Janette Elizabeth married Robert Kelly (a scot who moved to Australia in his teens)

Their children are

1. Dawn Grace
2. Robb Stuart
3. Sharon Nita (ME!)

My mum married (and divorced) again to Graeme Smith and had one child

Leonard Graeme Smith (now legally Laron Graeme Smith)

``````````````````
Extras!
I also have a information about Lois Swan's husband, Johann Ludwig Frederich Wendelborn

He is the son of Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Hartwig (b. 1830 d. 1876) and Wilhelmina (Minnie) Sophia Louisa Fanselow (who I think married Freidrich Ewers after she was widowed)
Wilhelm and Wilhelmina had 9 children

1. Henry Joachim John Friedrich 4.7.1854
2. Johann Ludwig Friedrich 6.3.1856
3. Dorothea (Dora) Louisa Henrietta 25.7. 1857
4. Lugwig Hans Christian 13.1.1860
5. Anna Sophia Margaretha 22.8.1862
6. Johann Heinrich William 25.2.1864
7. Caroline Maria (Mary) Sophie 20.9.1868
8. Emilie Louisa Wilhelmina 15.2.1871
9. George Johann Friederich 21.3.1874

NB: these lists are handwritten by my mother's mother from her bible and I have noticed the spelling of Friedrich is sometimes Freidrich and I am not sure if that is unintentional)

Wilhelm's parents were Ludwig David Friederich Wendelborn and Dorothea Caroline who arrived in Nelson (South Island, New Zealand) from Hamburg on "Skiold" Sept 1st 1844 with their children

Frederike Louise Henriette 20 years
Wilhelm Freiderich Carl Hartwig 14 years
Johann Christopher Hermann 11 years
Heinrich Julius Friederich 9 years
Ludwig Johann Christopher 6 years

I can add somewhats to this list.

The Swans settled in a small town in East Gippsland called Bairnsdale, not sure what Charles did there either a farmer or a Merchant. One of his Daughters, Emily met and married the son of a local, Robert Ray Quail in 1885. they had four children

Robert Arthur
Charles Herbert
Norman
May

Robert Ray was a Master Mariner and son of a Master who acted as Pilot at Lakes Entrance and sub inspector of fisheries on the Gippsland Lakes. Capt Charles Quail.

Robert Ray and Emily moved to Geelong where he worked for the Geelong Harbour Trust as a master, they ended up living in Balaclava a suburb of Melbourne in a house Called Riwaka.

Norman fought in the First World War as a Captain and earned a Military Cross, going on afterwards to work for the Victorian Railways ending up as a commissioner.

Arthur was an Engineer with the Railways and also served in WW1, gassed several times.

May married a man from Alberton in South Gippsland, Len Silver. He served with the 7th Battallion notably in Gallipoli and in most of the major battles of WWi in France and Belgium, they were more notably my sister's and my god parents.

Charles Herbert was a foreman carpenter on such notable as the Regent Theatre in Melbourne, he married a lady from Geelong named Caroline Grace Stirling. They had three children.
Edna May
Olive Pheobe
Walter Ray Charles

Thats where I come in, Walter Ray Charles Quail is my father. and I am trying to put together our family tree.

Shine
07-09-2010, 9:36 AM
aha!

Thanks for the info.
You must be a sibling of Gloria who is awaiting an email reply for me about Caroline and I have been too busy to reply properly to her!

Do you have a family tree up at Ancestry.com - if you do I can add you to the tree I have there and we can share more information.

shenthus
08-09-2010, 9:49 AM
HI Shine
yes your right, I am Gloria's brother, she told me you ahve been swapping info.

My profile on ancestory.com is shenthus or Robert Quail and your welcome to add me.

Shine
13-09-2010, 5:41 AM
Pleased to meet you, Robert.
I am very curious about the Swann ancestors in Aussie as very little is known about them. Charles and Caroline's relationship is a bit of a mystery too with little info of the early part and a marriage after all the children were born and twenty some years after they supposedly got together....

I don't think you have a family tree at ancestry.com do you? Just a profile.

I have a tree there but I do not have a paying account so I can't see anyone else's tree unless they invite me too.

I had Gloria's email so invited her to be a member of the online tree so she can view all my information, hopefully she will share some with me too!